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Hello,

Here are the assignments.  Please send me an acknowledgement. :-)

Due date: February 5:

  draft-ietf-geopriv-dhcp-lbyr-uri-option-17 - Yves Lafon

Yves, I understand that there isn't much time for=20
this review.  I suggest doing whatever you can.

Due date: February 11:

  draft-ietf-forces-lfb-lib-10 - Martin D=FCrst

  draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-17 - Vijay Gurbani

  draft-ietf-mpls-tp-security-framework-07 - Yoshiro Yoneya

  draft-ietf-mpls-tp-use-cases-and-design-06 - Joseph Yee

  draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis-03 - Dave Cridland

  draft-ietf-simple-simple-08 - Salvatore Loreto


Due date: February 15

  draft-eastlake-additional-xmlsec-uris-07  - Larry Masinter

  draft-leiba-urnbis-ietf-namespace-01 - Peter Saint-Andre

  draft-shafranovich-mime-sql-03 - Jiankang Yao

  draft-gp-obsolete-icmp-types-iana-01 (I'll take this one)

  draft-ietf-behave-nat64-discovery-heuristic-13 - Enrico Marocco

  draft-harkins-brainpool-ike-groups-04 - William Mills

  draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-summary-stat-06 - Claudio Allocchio

  draft-templin-ironbis-12 - Murray Kucherawy

The review template is at=20
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/template

Best regards,
-sm


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> Due date: February 15
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> draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-summary-stat-06 - Claudio Allocchio

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On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 7:11 PM, SM <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Here are the assignments.  Please send me an acknowledgement. :-)
>

...

>  draft-ietf-mpls-tp-use-cases-and-design-06 - Joseph Yee
>

    < ACK

Joseph

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On 2/2/13 2:11 AM, SM wrote:
>  draft-ietf-simple-simple-08 - Salvatore Loreto 
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I may need to be a day or two late on this. It's on the telechat for the
21st, so that would still be four days before then.  Is that okay?

-MSK


On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:11 PM, SM <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Here are the assignments.  Please send me an acknowledgement. :-)
>
> Due date: February 5:
>
>  draft-ietf-geopriv-dhcp-lbyr-**uri-option-17 - Yves Lafon
>
> Yves, I understand that there isn't much time for this review.  I suggest
> doing whatever you can.
>
> Due date: February 11:
>
>  draft-ietf-forces-lfb-lib-10 - Martin D=FCrst
>
>  draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-17 - Vijay Gurbani
>
>  draft-ietf-mpls-tp-security-**framework-07 - Yoshiro Yoneya
>
>  draft-ietf-mpls-tp-use-cases-**and-design-06 - Joseph Yee
>
>  draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis-03 - Dave Cridland
>
>  draft-ietf-simple-simple-08 - Salvatore Loreto
>
>
> Due date: February 15
>
>  draft-eastlake-additional-**xmlsec-uris-07  - Larry Masinter
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>  draft-leiba-urnbis-ietf-**namespace-01 - Peter Saint-Andre
>
>  draft-shafranovich-mime-sql-03 - Jiankang Yao
>
>  draft-gp-obsolete-icmp-types-**iana-01 (I'll take this one)
>
>  draft-ietf-behave-nat64-**discovery-heuristic-13 - Enrico Marocco
>
>  draft-harkins-brainpool-ike-**groups-04 - William Mills
>
>  draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-**summary-stat-06 - Claudio Allocchio
>
>  draft-templin-ironbis-12 - Murray Kucherawy
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> The review template is at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/**
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I may need to be a day or two late on this. It&#39;s =
on the telechat for the 21st, so that would still be four days before then.=
=A0 Is that okay?<br><br></div>-MSK<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br=
><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:11 PM, SM <span dir=3D"=
ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sm+ietf@elandsys.com" target=3D"_blank">sm+ietf@=
elandsys.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hello,<br>
<br>
Here are the assignments. =A0Please send me an acknowledgement. :-)<br>
<br>
Due date: February 5:<br>
<br>
=A0draft-ietf-geopriv-dhcp-lbyr-<u></u>uri-option-17 - Yves Lafon<br>
<br>
Yves, I understand that there isn&#39;t much time for this review. =A0I sug=
gest doing whatever you can.<br>
<br>
Due date: February 11:<br>
<br>
=A0draft-ietf-forces-lfb-lib-10 - Martin D=FCrst<br>
<br>
=A0draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-17 - Vijay Gurbani<br>
<br>
=A0draft-ietf-mpls-tp-security-<u></u>framework-07 - Yoshiro Yoneya<br>
<br>
=A0draft-ietf-mpls-tp-use-cases-<u></u>and-design-06 - Joseph Yee<br>
<br>
=A0draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis-03 - Dave Cridland<br>
<br>
=A0draft-ietf-simple-simple-08 - Salvatore Loreto<br>
<br>
<br>
Due date: February 15<br>
<br>
=A0draft-eastlake-additional-<u></u>xmlsec-uris-07 =A0- Larry Masinter<br>
<br>
=A0draft-leiba-urnbis-ietf-<u></u>namespace-01 - Peter Saint-Andre<br>
<br>
=A0draft-shafranovich-mime-sql-03 - Jiankang Yao<br>
<br>
=A0draft-gp-obsolete-icmp-types-<u></u>iana-01 (I&#39;ll take this one)<br>
<br>
=A0draft-ietf-behave-nat64-<u></u>discovery-heuristic-13 - Enrico Marocco<b=
r>
<br>
=A0draft-harkins-brainpool-ike-<u></u>groups-04 - William Mills<br>
<br>
=A0draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-<u></u>summary-stat-06 - Claudio Allocchio<br=
>
<br>
=A0draft-templin-ironbis-12 - Murray Kucherawy<br>
<br>
The review template is at <a href=3D"http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/tr=
ac/wiki/template" target=3D"_blank">http://trac.tools.ietf.org/<u></u>area/=
app/trac/wiki/template</a><br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
-sm<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>

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Hi Murray,
At 11:10 08-02-2013, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
>I may need to be a day or two late on this. It's on the telechat for 
>the 21st, so that would still be four days before then.  Is that okay?

That's okay.  BTW, you got a complicated draft about a subject which 
you do not usually cover.  The minima is to cover Application 
considerations as that's the main objective of our reviews.

It's easier for Barry to have the review available on the Friday 
before the IESG telechat.  I aim for that as far as possible.

Best regards,
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FYI. I wasn't sure whether to make this an AppsDir review...


- -------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Last Call: <draft-arkko-iesg-crossarea-02.txt> (Experiences
from Cross-Area Work at the IETF) to Informational RFC
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 20:22:21 -0700
From: Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im>
To: jari.arkko@piuha.net
CC: ietf@ietf.org

Hi Jari, although I was asked to complete an AppsDir review of this
document, on reading it several times I realized that my feedback is
more personal and less from the Apps Area perspective, so I am sending
a more general message.

On 2/6/13 4:49 PM, The IESG wrote:
> 
> The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to 
> consider the following document: - 'Experiences from Cross-Area 
> Work at the IETF' <draft-arkko-iesg-crossarea-02.txt> as 
> Informational RFC

Section 3 begins:

   From an IETF participant's point of view, it is important that there
   is a working group where the technical topic that he or she is
   interested in can be discussed.

I'm not convinced that IETF participants really care whether the
institutional machinery of WG formation has been put in place. In my
experience, a fair amount of interesting work has happened outside of
any WG (e.g., Jeff Hodges and I worked on RFC 6125 on a
special-purpose IETF mailing list, not in a WG). As long as there's
some kind of venue, discussion can occur.

A related note on the following sentence in Section 1:

   If the work is
   interesting, the necessary people come to the meetings and work on
   the specifications.

Well, meetings (in the sense of WG sessions, or even IETF meetings)
aren't truly necessary if there is some other appropriate venue available.

IMHO, Section 2 could benefit from examples of cross-area work
involving RAI and Apps. Current and recent WGs include PRECIS (with
involvement from Apps, RAI, Security, and Ops/Mgt), ALTO (straddling
Apps and Transport), OAUTH (straddling Apps and Security), CORE (in
Apps but with close connections to 6lowpan in Int), PAWS (it was an
open question whether it would end up in Apps or Ops/Mgt), and current
efforts to define multi-stream support in MMUSIC, CLUE, and RTCWEB.
The Apps and RAI AD can probably provide further insight here.

In Section 3:

   Cross-area work is needed,
   of course, in any situation where a particular technical problem does
   not cleanly map to one organization.

Is an IETF area truly an "organization"? Isn't the organization here
the IETF?

In Section 4:

      But it
      is also possible that concerns raised in one forum are not
      understood in another, and this can lead to an effort going
      forward after finding the "lowest bar" forum to take it up.

By "forum" you seem to mean "IETF area".

OLD
      Similarly, requests for cross-area review are relatively
      infrequent or sent only to a particular subset of people in an
      area (such as a directorate).
NEW
      Similarly, requests for cross-area review are relatively
      infrequent or sent only to a particular subset of people in an
      area (such as a directorate or related working group).

I tend to agree with Benoit that the scope of, and audience for, the
suggestions in Section 4 are not particularly clear. Unfortunately, I
do not yet have actionable suggestions for improvement.

Peter

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Hello,

[Bcc to John Klensin as he's not on this mailing list]

The last time I met some of you was in November 2011.  Peter was kind 
enough to take some notes of that meeting ( 
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/appsdir/current/msg00290.html ).

Is there any interest in an AppsDir meeting at IETF 86?  It could be 
for breakfast or lunch.  I understand that some of you are already 
fully booked.  It's ok if you cannot make it.

Best regards,
-sm


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--On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 14:54 -0800 SM
<sm+ietf@elandsys.com> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> [Bcc to John Klensin as he's not on this mailing list]
> 
> The last time I met some of you was in November 2011.  Peter
> was kind enough to take some notes of that meeting (
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/appsdir/current/msg00290.
> html ).
> 
> Is there any interest in an AppsDir meeting at IETF 86?  It
> could be for breakfast or lunch.  I understand that some of
> you are already fully booked.  It's ok if you cannot make it.

I'm interested, but rapidly getting fully booked.  Suggest you
post a doodle poll and figure out of there are any times that a
significant number of people are available.

   john






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Hi John,

[Using a Bcc to the mailing list to make the reply easier]

At 15:18 20-02-2013, John C Klensin wrote:
>I'm interested, but rapidly getting fully booked.  Suggest you
>post a doodle poll and figure out of there are any times that a
>significant number of people are available.

Can you and anyone else who is interested send me their conflict 
list?  I'll collate it and suggest a time acceptable to most people.

Best regards,
-sm

P.S. I usually avoid Doodle. :-) 


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I am also interested

On 2/21/13 12:54 AM, SM wrote:
> Hello,
>
> [Bcc to John Klensin as he's not on this mailing list]
>
> The last time I met some of you was in November 2011.  Peter was kind 
> enough to take some notes of that meeting ( 
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/appsdir/current/msg00290.html ).
>
> Is there any interest in an AppsDir meeting at IETF 86?  It could be 
> for breakfast or lunch.  I understand that some of you are already 
> fully booked.  It's ok if you cannot make it.
>
> Best regards,
> -sm
>
> _______________________________________________
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> appsdir@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/appsdir
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Hello,

AppsDir will be meeting on Monday (March 11) at IETF 86 during the 
lunch break.  The meeting is combined with the Apps Chair lunch 
(Thanks, Barry).

Best regards,
-sm 


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It's bring-your-own, right?


On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:01 AM, SM <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> AppsDir will be meeting on Monday (March 11) at IETF 86 during the lunch
> break.  The meeting is combined with the Apps Chair lunch (Thanks, Barry).
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> Best regards,
> -sm
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<div dir=3D"ltr">It&#39;s bring-your-own, right?<br></div><div class=3D"gma=
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AppsDir will be meeting on Monday (March 11) at IETF 86 during the lunch br=
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Best regards,<br>
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Hi Murray,
At 11:38 28-02-2013, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
>It's bring-your-own, right?

I asked Barry and Pete.  I'll let you know.

As a note to AppsDir, currently, there's John, Murray and Sal on my 
list.  If you are on AppsDir and you would like to join, please email me.

Best regards,
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>> AppsDir will be meeting on Monday (March 11) at IETF 86 during the lunch
>> break.  The meeting is combined with the Apps Chair lunch (Thanks, Barry).
>
> It's bring-your-own, right?

Yes, as always.

Barry
