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AVTEXT (including PAYLOAD) proceedings from Paris X-BeenThere: avtext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Extensions working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 11:09:26 -0000 --_002_EDC0A1AE77C57744B664A310A0B23AE227FECA5CFRMRSSXCHMBSC3d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I attach after some delay (for which apologies) the draft version of these. If you have comments please send them soon, as we need to upload the offici= al version. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.02 Message-ID: <20120510101830.7993.97780.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 03:18:30 -0700 Cc: avtext@ietf.org Subject: [avtext] I-D Action: draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios-05.txt X-BeenThere: avtext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Extensions working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 10:18:31 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Extensions Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : Considerations for Deploying the Rapid Acquisition of Mu= lticast RTP Sessions (RAMS) Method Author(s) : Ali Begen Filename : draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios-05.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2012-05-10 The Rapid Acquisition of Multicast RTP Sessions (RAMS) solution is a method based on RTP and RTP Control Protocol (RTCP) that enables an RTP receiver to rapidly acquire and start consuming the RTP multicast data. Upon a request from the RTP receiver, an auxiliary unicast RTP retransmission session is set up between a retransmission server and the RTP receiver, over which the reference information about the new multicast stream the RTP receiver is about to join is transmitted at an accelerated rate. This often precedes, but may also accompany, the multicast stream itself. When there is only one multicast stream to be acquired, the RAMS solution works in a straightforward manner. However, when there are two or more multicast streams to be acquired from the same or different multicast RTP sessions, care should be taken to configure each RAMS session appropriately. This document provides example scenarios and discusses how the RAMS solution could be used in such scenarios. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios-05.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios-05.txt The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios/ From internet-drafts@ietf.org Thu May 10 07:40:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 445C721F86A6; Thu, 10 May 2012 07:40:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.414 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.414 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.185, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4GncSZ4l1UEy; Thu, 10 May 2012 07:40:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 518F521F8636; Thu, 10 May 2012 07:40:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.02 Message-ID: <20120510144047.4553.21596.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 07:40:47 -0700 Cc: avtext@ietf.org Subject: [avtext] I-D Action: draft-ietf-avtext-multiple-clock-rates-05.txt X-BeenThere: avtext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Extensions working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 14:40:48 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Extensions Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : Support for Multiple Clock Rates in an RTP Session Author(s) : Marc Petit-Huguenin Glen Zorn Filename : draft-ietf-avtext-multiple-clock-rates-05.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2012-05-10 This document clarifies the RTP specification when different clock rates are used in an RTP session. It also provides guidance on how to interoperate with legacy RTP implementations that use multiple clock rates. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avtext-multiple-clock-rates-= 05.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avtext-multiple-clock-rates-0= 5.txt The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-avtext-multiple-clock-rates/ From keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com Thu May 10 07:56:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FBB221F869A for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 07:56:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -109.98 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-109.98 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.269, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W+XDZ+sIQ2Y2 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 07:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail3.alcatel.fr (smail3.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4550921F8624 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 07:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.64]) by smail3.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id q4AEu9jk002791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 16:56:11 +0200 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSC3.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.45]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.64]) with mapi; Thu, 10 May 2012 16:56:11 +0200 From: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" To: "avtext@ietf.org" Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 16:56:10 +0200 Thread-Topic: [avtext] I-D Action: draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios-05.txt Thread-Index: Ac0ulkeukSfr8QwMTdyx65nUGpc1tgAJUAKA Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.83 Subject: [avtext] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios-05.txt X-BeenThere: avtext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Extensions working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 14:56:14 -0000 (as WG cochair) To save asking the editor to do this, I did it myself. This revision handles IESG discusses which can be found in: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios/ballot/=20 and from the Gen-Art review which can be found in: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/gen-art/current/msg07402.html=20 I believe none of the changes are of a technical nature. The document is up for the IESG telechat today. Regards Keith -----Original Message----- From: avtext-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:avtext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of= internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: 10 May 2012 11:19 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: avtext@ietf.org Subject: [avtext] I-D Action: draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios-05.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Extensions Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : Considerations for Deploying the Rapid Acquisition of Mu= lticast RTP Sessions (RAMS) Method Author(s) : Ali Begen Filename : draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios-05.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2012-05-10 The Rapid Acquisition of Multicast RTP Sessions (RAMS) solution is a method based on RTP and RTP Control Protocol (RTCP) that enables an RTP receiver to rapidly acquire and start consuming the RTP multicast data. Upon a request from the RTP receiver, an auxiliary unicast RTP retransmission session is set up between a retransmission server and the RTP receiver, over which the reference information about the new multicast stream the RTP receiver is about to join is transmitted at an accelerated rate. This often precedes, but may also accompany, the multicast stream itself. When there is only one multicast stream to be acquired, the RAMS solution works in a straightforward manner. However, when there are two or more multicast streams to be acquired from the same or different multicast RTP sessions, care should be taken to configure each RAMS session appropriately. This document provides example scenarios and discusses how the RAMS solution could be used in such scenarios. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios-05.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios-05.txt The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios/ _______________________________________________ avtext mailing list avtext@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avtext From iesg-secretary@ietf.org Mon May 14 14:12:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B399B21F883E; Mon, 14 May 2012 14:12:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.507 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.507 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.092, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jOHXv8BtLXvC; Mon, 14 May 2012 14:12:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB46521F8547; Mon, 14 May 2012 14:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.02 Message-ID: <20120514211220.16536.95804.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 14:12:20 -0700 Cc: avtext mailing list , avtext chair , RFC Editor Subject: [avtext] Document Action: 'Considerations for Deploying the Rapid Acquisition of Multicast RTP Sessions (RAMS) Method' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios-05.txt) X-BeenThere: avtext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Extensions working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 21:12:22 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Considerations for Deploying the Rapid Acquisition of Multicast RTP Sessions (RAMS) Method' (draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios-05.txt) as Informational RFC This document is the product of the Audio/Video Transport Extensions Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Gonzalo Camarillo and Robert Sparks. A URL of this Internet Draft is: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios/ Technical Summary The Rapid Acquisition of Multicast RTP Sessions (RAMS) solution is a method based on RTP and RTP Control Protocol (RTCP) that enables an RTP receiver to rapidly acquire and start consuming the RTP multicast data. Upon a request from the RTP receiver, an auxiliary unicast RTP retransmission session is set up between a retransmission server and the RTP receiver, over which the reference information about the new multicast stream the RTP receiver is about to join is transmitted at an accelerated rate. This often precedes, but may also accompany, the multicast stream itself. When there is only one multicast stream to be acquired, the RAMS solution works in a straightforward manner. However, when there are two or more multicast streams to be acquired from the same or different multicast RTP sessions, care should be taken to configure each RAMS session appropriately. This document provides example scenarios and discusses how the RAMS solution could be used in such scenarios. Working Group Summary The document is a product of the AVTEXT working group. All controversial issues were issues of the preceding RAMS document already published in RFC 6285, and this document raised no new issues. Document Quality There are existing implementations of RFC 6285. This document merely gives some example scenarios of the usage of RFC 6285. Personnel Keith Drage is the document shepherd. Gonzalo Camarillo is the responsible area director. From magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com Tue May 15 08:28:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F9321F8769 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 08:28:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.151 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.151 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.098, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EybrxahDtpot for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 08:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw1.ericsson.se (mailgw1.ericsson.se [193.180.251.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26D1221F8768 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 08:28:08 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-b7bbfae000005e4b-7b-4fb2760749b2 Received: from esessmw0247.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw1.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 53.E8.24139.70672BF4; Tue, 15 May 2012 17:28:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (153.88.115.8) by esessmw0247.eemea.ericsson.se (153.88.115.94) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.3.213.0; Tue, 15 May 2012 17:28:07 +0200 Message-ID: <4FB27605.4030801@ericsson.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 17:28:05 +0200 From: Magnus Westerlund User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "avtext@ietf.org" References: <20120515152137.17576.4534.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20120515152137.17576.4534.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <20120515152137.17576.4534.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050302050208050704020204" X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: [avtext] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-westerlund-avtext-rtp-stream-pause-01.txt X-BeenThere: avtext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Extensions working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 15:28:10 -0000 --------------050302050208050704020204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WG, As individual I would like to inform you that this update is just a version number and date bump. No other changes. An updated version will be provided later. But until then we think it should be available in datatracker. 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Title : RTP Media Stream Pause and Resume Author(s) : Azam Akram Bo Burman Daniel Grondal Magnus Westerlund Filename : draft-westerlund-avtext-rtp-stream-pause-01.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2012-05-15 With the increased popularity of real-time multimedia applications, users demand more control over communication sessions. This document describes how a receiver in a multimedia conversation can pause and resume incoming data from a sender by sending real-time feedback messages when using Real-time Transport Protocol (RTP) for real time data transport. This document extends the Codec Control Messages (CCM) RTCP feedback package by adding a group of new real-time feedback messages used to pause and resume RTP data streams. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-westerlund-avtext-rtp-stream-paus= e-01.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-westerlund-avtext-rtp-stream-pause= -01.txt The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-westerlund-avtext-rtp-stream-pause/ _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt --------------050302050208050704020204-- From glenzorn@gmail.com Fri May 18 01:01:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CF9221F8669 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 01:01:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id khBlXiulVymn for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 01:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com (mail-pz0-f44.google.com [209.85.210.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0805D21F866A for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 01:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by dacx6 with SMTP id x6so3584116dac.31 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 01:01:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lDwF14G3BNWLQFQ+MJoTfYLj9Qzh/4TT1v60lSxMtsc=; b=k0eFKpfGOpihvcRQXU2eNjd1QU0s/Y/caPUUNVSHtyrgoenfCd9LorJBmK2/7e8NdB AgvmaHj7kF9hQ8axAlyWBdPuDMcCSIFa8XXgKBISRlhJpovGxBdYJCNpID6PNvcR5Jr+ wJwRwBFMeSa8J60RaD5LNhcv53ZQC8PmTp/PDTohLcQ34Q5ykpiG+3yIDcKL3IFZc0gN rE036EPHKbCi8kCO9ATnrTMcf6RF4N/aq2Y2pJybvdBJ9pCvjBMVcxoHY2eyRzHRn7sm Q/xcsOC5FG0CwF7mZoJSDt+2fscNDfKV3FaiIEU5iS839+I2UDChdk9J/PU6jlHitf/0 8n9g== Received: by 10.68.202.130 with SMTP id ki2mr36137560pbc.52.1337328088701; Fri, 18 May 2012 01:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.98] (ppp-124-121-251-60.revip2.asianet.co.th. [124.121.251.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id oy8sm11970541pbc.52.2012.05.18.01.01.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 18 May 2012 01:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FB601D1.3030207@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 15:01:21 +0700 From: Glen Zorn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120425 Thunderbird/12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: avtext-chairs@tools.ietf.org References: <20120510144047.4553.21596.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20120510144047.4553.21596.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: avtext@ietf.org Subject: Re: [avtext] I-D Action: draft-ietf-avtext-multiple-clock-rates-05.txt X-BeenThere: avtext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Extensions working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 08:01:29 -0000 On 05/10/2012 09:40 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: I guess that this draft is ready for WGLC. > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Extensions Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Support for Multiple Clock Rates in an RTP Session > Author(s) : Marc Petit-Huguenin > Glen Zorn > Filename : draft-ietf-avtext-multiple-clock-rates-05.txt > Pages : 11 > Date : 2012-05-10 > > This document clarifies the RTP specification when different clock > rates are used in an RTP session. It also provides guidance on how > to interoperate with legacy RTP implementations that use multiple > clock rates. > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avtext-multiple-clock-rates-05.txt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avtext-multiple-clock-rates-05.txt > > The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-avtext-multiple-clock-rates/ > > _______________________________________________ > avtext mailing list > avtext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avtext From magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com Wed May 30 07:39:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F39821F86DD for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 07:39:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gr4cLNPcrNlR for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 07:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw1.ericsson.se (mailgw1.ericsson.se [193.180.251.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89D021F8622 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 07:39:42 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-b7fc66d000006fdc-2e-4fc6312daa9b Received: from esessmw0184.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw1.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id B0.B2.28636.D2136CF4; Wed, 30 May 2012 16:39:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (153.88.115.8) by esessmw0184.eemea.ericsson.se (153.88.115.82) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.3.264.0; Wed, 30 May 2012 16:39:41 +0200 Message-ID: <4FC6312C.1030908@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 16:39:40 +0200 From: Magnus Westerlund User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "avtext@ietf.org" X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrHJMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+Jvra6u4TF/gw0v9Sw+3rvB6sDosWTJ T6YAxigum5TUnMyy1CJ9uwSujHtTprMWPOasmLBqFmMD41v2LkYODgkBE4mPL0q6GDmBTDGJ C/fWs3UxcnEICZxilFjxbQ8jhLOcUWLi0tmsIFW8AtoS6x4tZwOxWQRUJW5dAhnEycEmYCFx 80cjWFxUIFjixZ4rUPWCEidnPmEBsUUE1CXuTL8AViMs4C1xftlnFojNkhIH/10Dm8MsoCcx 5WoLI4QtL9G8dTYziC0EtLehqYN1AiP/LCRjZyFpmYWkZQEj8ypG4dzEzJz0ckO91KLM5OLi /Dy94tRNjMAwO7jlt+4OxlPnRA4xSnOwKInzciXt9xcSSE8sSc1OTS1ILYovKs1JLT7EyMTB KdXAaJT978js5znhIgqiCv/maXgbXJaQNb1/0jr1o8fPml6DhNVWfhGKPrqPXISS36476X7q 5hlz6QyGv17p3SlZiZMrX268H3P8UuQnzXuqci9ux4WdmVNxnHFij6nKuuDbhg3BHenzys2K 9xY63JeSbVq0ZQFT2G/OFpl9NzrruzpmS+8y8lJUYinOSDTUYi4qTgQAl6zJEAECAAA= Subject: [avtext] Result of IESG evaluation of draft-ietf-avtext-splicing-for-rtp-07 X-BeenThere: avtext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Extensions working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 14:39:43 -0000 WG, There was substantial amount of feedback from the IESG on the Splicing document. Thus the document needs to be revised on a number of points: - add clarifications about the intent of the document - add clarification why it was written - clarify what is the current situation on the field - let a English native speaker do a editoral pass on it. - Resolve all the discusses and comments from IESG members. So those are the tasks next for the authors and the WG. The IESG has requested that they get do a full new IESG evaluation on this document when we have addressed the issues. I would expect that due to the changes to the document that we will need to do a new WG last call, followed by a new publication request and IETF last call. Cheers Magnus Westerlund WG chair ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 Färögatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden| mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From ron.even.tlv@gmail.com Thu May 31 03:54:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294A821F8683 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 03:54:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.145, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OLoovXikjJWN for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 03:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-f44.google.com (mail-wg0-f44.google.com [74.125.82.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5543E21F8685 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 03:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wgbdr13 with SMTP id dr13so523904wgb.13 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 03:54:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=M5LNBhIGyqELPB6zx6tCAQkghm4tciWqUvdR0SsERS0=; b=xC1ySpWplpyqwZvx9AV03n4MuM5XmLAd/VQQIsd5JYM8lj9n2CCeCeR2VBNx1KSD+t PL18NgBXFrBIdQVD8V5/APAfrrpHUlYO0ynmXrLgGdHIU+UZn/Fj/V3sdShvxGrtu6ii OsANx7hM7f6V/V0KrM26cSyNgA0IH9uZ+t87rEvTNZcP0zbPbNPtNqHZTvbyLR6hJrEv Ms4XjyoB4AG+V13dVJF6hZVGqDwxpnN64cHsqvw+a/ID/GQKB9Z0qOAn+aU4u4hFflhO J+caYyziJca8nAXK8chj0CB512tY0HwYlybIXtOhUnLZFIXv3P0JGRHdLB1JN57STz3c dFCg== Received: by 10.216.201.79 with SMTP id a57mr12466028weo.164.1338461660469; Thu, 31 May 2012 03:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windows8d787f9 (bzq-79-177-198-116.red.bezeqint.net. [79.177.198.116]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d10sm5247967wiy.3.2012.05.31.03.54.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 May 2012 03:54:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Roni Even" To: "'Magnus Westerlund'" , References: <4FC6312C.1030908@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <4FC6312C.1030908@ericsson.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:51:52 +0300 Message-ID: <4fc74dda.ea51b40a.4f38.ffff9d7f@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0+cg9y+Tej5AQZT1mwkchfhz+XdAAqPTng Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [avtext] Result of IESG evaluation of draft-ietf-avtext-splicing-for-rtp-07 X-BeenThere: avtext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Extensions working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:54:22 -0000 Hi Magnus, I am wondering if there is a new requirement for and English native = speaker to do an editorial review of a document. If not I do not think that the = IESG can request this. Maybe the next phase will not allow you and I to publish drafts since we = are not native English speakers and there will be a request to have an = native English speaker as editor Roni Even > -----Original Message----- > From: avtext-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:avtext-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Magnus Westerlund > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 5:40 PM > To: avtext@ietf.org > Subject: [avtext] Result of IESG evaluation of draft-ietf-avtext- > splicing-for-rtp-07 >=20 > WG, >=20 > There was substantial amount of feedback from the IESG on the Splicing > document. Thus the document needs to be revised on a number of points: >=20 > - add clarifications about the intent of the document > - add clarification why it was written > - clarify what is the current situation on the field > - let a English native speaker do a editoral pass on it. > - Resolve all the discusses and comments from IESG members. >=20 > So those are the tasks next for the authors and the WG. >=20 > The IESG has requested that they get do a full new IESG evaluation on > this document when we have addressed the issues. >=20 > I would expect that due to the changes to the document that we will > need to do a new WG last call, followed by a new publication request > and IETF last call. >=20 > Cheers >=20 > Magnus Westerlund > WG chair >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 > F=E4r=F6gatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 > SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden| mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > _______________________________________________ > avtext mailing list > avtext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avtext From keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com Thu May 31 04:08:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E431D21F85AF for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 04:08:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -109.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-109.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QDZqP+ZoEP74 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 04:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail3.alcatel.fr (smail3.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C9C721F85A4 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 04:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.64]) by smail3.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id q4VB7p6f026704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 31 May 2012 13:08:06 +0200 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSC3.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.44]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.64]) with mapi; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:07:59 +0200 From: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" To: Roni Even , "'Magnus Westerlund'" , "avtext@ietf.org" Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:07:58 +0200 Thread-Topic: [avtext] Result of IESG evaluation of draft-ietf-avtext-splicing-for-rtp-07 Thread-Index: Ac0+cg9y+Tej5AQZT1mwkchfhz+XdAAqPTngAABw2zA= Message-ID: References: <4FC6312C.1030908@ericsson.com> <4fc74dda.ea51b40a.4f38.ffff9d7f@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <4fc74dda.ea51b40a.4f38.ffff9d7f@mx.google.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.83 Subject: Re: [avtext] Result of IESG evaluation of draft-ietf-avtext-splicing-for-rtp-07 X-BeenThere: avtext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Extensions working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:08:12 -0000 (As WG chair) There is no such requirement and well you know it. You can find the full IESG review comments here and maybe you should take a= look: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-avtext-splicing-for-rtp/ballot/= =20 The specific comment that generated this was: "-- General -- There are numerous English-language issues with the document, too many to detail with OLD/NEW suggestions. The document would benefit from a= pass by a native English speaker to fix the grammar, punctuation, and such, and = I strongly suggest such an edit. That said, the document is readable as it i= s, and these are edits the RFC Editor will make if we don't do it before. (No= te that this is a complaint against the WG, not against the editor. WGs shoul= d be addressing this sort of issue in their review, and should appoint a co-edit= or in cases where the primary editor needs help getting the English right.)" You will see it comes under the heading of "editorial comment" rather than = "substantive comment". I do not see this comment making any hint in the dir= ection that you are trying to take this discussion. I have undertaken to do a read through of the document to this end before i= t goes back to IESG, but I need to see a draft where the numerous other iss= ues have been addressed first. Of course, if you object to people reading t= he documents and suggesting improvements... Keith -----Original Message----- From: avtext-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:avtext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of= Roni Even Sent: 31 May 2012 11:52 To: 'Magnus Westerlund'; avtext@ietf.org Subject: Re: [avtext] Result of IESG evaluation of draft-ietf-avtext-splici= ng-for-rtp-07 Hi Magnus, I am wondering if there is a new requirement for and English native speaker to do an editorial review of a document. If not I do not think that the IES= G can request this. Maybe the next phase will not allow you and I to publish drafts since we ar= e not native English speakers and there will be a request to have an native English speaker as editor Roni Even > -----Original Message----- > From: avtext-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:avtext-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Magnus Westerlund > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 5:40 PM > To: avtext@ietf.org > Subject: [avtext] Result of IESG evaluation of draft-ietf-avtext- > splicing-for-rtp-07 >=20 > WG, >=20 > There was substantial amount of feedback from the IESG on the Splicing > document. Thus the document needs to be revised on a number of points: >=20 > - add clarifications about the intent of the document > - add clarification why it was written > - clarify what is the current situation on the field > - let a English native speaker do a editoral pass on it. > - Resolve all the discusses and comments from IESG members. >=20 > So those are the tasks next for the authors and the WG. >=20 > The IESG has requested that they get do a full new IESG evaluation on > this document when we have addressed the issues. >=20 > I would expect that due to the changes to the document that we will > need to do a new WG last call, followed by a new publication request > and IETF last call. >=20 > Cheers >=20 > Magnus Westerlund > WG chair >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 > F=E4r=F6gatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 > SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden| mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > _______________________________________________ > avtext mailing list > avtext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avtext _______________________________________________ avtext mailing list avtext@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avtext