From nobody Tue Jul 3 03:27:08 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70631130DCE; Tue, 3 Jul 2018 03:27:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OFClbZq4kZUZ; Tue, 3 Jul 2018 03:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from softronics.hoeneisen.ch (softronics.hoeneisen.ch [62.2.86.178]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D080130E29; Tue, 3 Jul 2018 03:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by softronics.hoeneisen.ch with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1faIWR-0000Hf-U5; Tue, 03 Jul 2018 12:26:59 +0200 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 12:26:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Bernie Hoeneisen X-X-Sender: bhoeneis@softronics.hoeneisen.ch To: saag@ietf.org cc: IETF DISPATCH list Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: bernie@ietf.hoeneisen.ch X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on softronics.hoeneisen.ch); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: Subject: [dispatch] New Internet-Drafts on pEp - Privacy by Default X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2018 10:27:07 -0000 Dear SAAG WG CC DISPATCH WG Please be informed that we have submitted five Internet Drafts (see below) regarding the pEp (pretty Easy privacy) approach, which aims for opportunistic encryption of email and other messaging. The pEp technology is aimed to be as easy as possible for the end user, so that privacy technology will be widely implemented and used. Overview of existing pEp Internet-Drafts: - pEp General: Basic pEp concepts / requirements generally applicable https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-birk-pep-02 - pEp Email: pEp concepts specifically applied to email communication (automatic generation of key pairs, automatic usage of encryption, privacy enhancements to existing email message formats, etc.) https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-marques-pep-email-00 Note: This -00 I-D is yet in a "rough" state. - pEp Handshake: Easy process to ensure authentication of communication partners and channels using Trustwords. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-marques-pep-handshake-00 - pEp Trustwords: IANA Registration for Trustwords in different languages. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-birk-pep-trustwords-02 - pEp Privacy Rating: Definition of different Privacy States (unreliable, encrypted, etc.) and its mapping to a traffic light semantics (red, yellow, green, none) as an intuitive means for presenting the actual Privacy Status to the user. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-marques-pep-rating-00 Note: More I-Ds are still in the pipeline, e.g. synchronization of secret keys among different devices of the same user. We are looking forward to your feedback! All the best Bernie -- http://ucom.ch/ Modern Telephony Solutions and Tech Consulting for Internet Technology From nobody Tue Jul 3 09:04:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietf.org Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE107130F8E; Tue, 3 Jul 2018 09:00:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: ben@nostrum.com, dispatch@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.81.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <153063362170.4893.5029587286689908393.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2018 09:00:21 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [dispatch] dispatch - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 102 X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2018 16:00:31 -0000 Dear Mary Barnes, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. dispatch Session 1 (2:30 requested) Monday, 16 July 2018, Morning Session I 0930-1200 Room Name: Duluth size: 150 --------------------------------------------- Special Note: Joint with ARTAREA iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/sessions/dispatch.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Dispatch Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area Session Requester: Mary Barnes Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 80 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: jmap uta dmarc xrblock stir sipcore rtcweb rmcat payload netvc mmusic insipid ecrit avtcore bfcpbis clue core dcrup doh extra cfrg Second Priority: tram tsvwg tsvarea opsarea People who must be present: Alexey Melnikov Mary Barnes Adam Roach Ben Campbell Cullen Jennings Murray Kucherawy Resources Requested: Special Requests: Please schedule in the 1st slot on Monday morning, list the meeting as coupled with ARTAREA, and avoid the same kind of conflicts with other area meetings and any Bofs and potential new ART WGs. --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Tue Jul 10 11:15:20 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1472F130F04; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 11:15:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.738 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.738 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10=0.26, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E0MzrXzINQGY; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 11:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf0-x242.google.com (mail-lf0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 486F5131053; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 11:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x242.google.com with SMTP id f18-v6so3007782lfc.2; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 11:15:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=CeF5VRDMQJKEeZYQb+xZh/KtApJtC4yJCT8aCxcmIUA=; b=Z92mwJhVwX1NxkuGTdJBPgSVNDg3jqs+oPjrckAshhCqFvDO2Gsw5wJc2roGVAAce1 jm9A1nqy6EqzmyEvHOnA+3ovn/8RYXvao0Ff5bziiI/mIheLsh5icN+mLIQC8itD4TQs 8ybUR3L/fqaXWnpGcy9u2pUEQCTKweLRHrAq2cPq6suNdRmbtXAsjjRpO2kSbo0fhv5T 3w/R3BasxYz4HAFPMtWWOXFWE5jzMG/dym4qscX6MXeYYZHFPuLkzaFrZFiv1TdUyqgs svV/5qQWmNcZLuSp7uYxfajpAkUYiqy9Ro5QOKOeoGRrs85cmSSUV/DPdWx5LASzXshT jhyg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=CeF5VRDMQJKEeZYQb+xZh/KtApJtC4yJCT8aCxcmIUA=; b=jixz4y5ct+w0/fgVyrzm2T67YoHXvsW7ld4PVE/9qpnJoS/6vLmm+rrt38IJViFPiM mBL//Mw4QaSK9TsYTQ/IfK0LO4DNAP/bZ51LeM5s6A4b+C0eldLFwQXDF6aW1vlhJRum rIVqPjLIBjhzOYCTYPdZPHbU+kBAoq2x4pQETQ5ofWTV/k8id7YX8mJPki7NHVTSslg9 Bz8UMlKB2mzMDxk0fweOGcYhAN7hbgLHsvVx3lStBI6aW6YGRZPXgs5SqJ4pZLYSnf9e wGBRwZxljPJ/LDXoWafBVRleoE+oGVkXylGCksgEiaAnEaAUdNpbr0G8SWYd6BMYyfbY SR5g== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E0Zg9hXHleAG0lvOAYbs/VCZ6GVG8vknhfJYWs9TrgAjKENcvgz XDtli9gt7VsWY2+TCnhRm83bc9S7JgJ8guvwLuo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpd0K2wa9A9Pn3n1o6SUYrlqKJs2cm/4YIwaIq80WrJD2vry1R+lIyyZx4NvRmuhpdcRB892GjQe3BvQ2zH5g1A= X-Received: by 2002:a19:169f:: with SMTP id 31-v6mr3527023lfw.72.1531246505983; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 11:15:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a2e:9f51:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 11:15:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary Barnes Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 13:15:04 -0500 Message-ID: To: DISPATCH Cc: draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs@ietf.org, Barry Leiba Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000d822c0570a91c1e" Archived-At: Subject: [dispatch] WGLC: draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02.txt X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 18:15:16 -0000 --0000000000000d822c0570a91c1e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi all, We would like to start a 2 week WGLC for this document. If you think the document is ready, please respond to this email. If you have comments that you would like considered and/or any editorial suggestions, please post those as well. The WGLC ends on July 25, 2018. Regards, Mary DISPATCH WG tri-chair ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Tue, May 8, 2018 at 5:41 PM Subject: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02.txt To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: dispatch@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Dispatch WG of the IETF. Title : ECMAScript Media Types Updates Authors : Bradley Farias Matthew A. Miller Filename : draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2018-05-08 Abstract: This document proposes updates to the ECMAScript media types, superseding the existing registrations for "application/javascript" and "text/javascript" by adding an additional extension and removing usage warnings. This document updates RFC4329, "Scripting Media Types". The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ dispatch mailing list dispatch@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch --0000000000000d822c0570a91c1e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,


We would like to start a 2 week WGLC= for this document.=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0If you think the document is r= eady, please respond to this email.=C2=A0 If you have comments that you wou= ld like considered and/or any editorial suggestions, please post those as w= ell.=C2=A0


<= p class=3D"m_-8386734740231134962gmail-p1" style=3D"margin:0px;font-style:n= ormal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:= 12px;line-height:normal;font-family:Helvetica">The WGLC ends on July 25, 20= 18.=C2=A0


Regards,

Mary=C2=A0

DISPATCH WG tri-chair


---------- Forwarded message ----------
F= rom: <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
Date: Tue, May 8, 2018 at 5:41 PM
Subject: [dispatch] I= -D Action: draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02.txt
To: i-d-announce@ietf.org<= br>Cc: dispatch@ietf= .org



A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Dispatch WG of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= ECMAScript Media Types Updates
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Brad= ley Farias
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Matthew A. Miller
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 21
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2018-05-08

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document proposes updates to the ECMAScript media types,<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0superseding the existing registrations for "application/j= avascript"
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and "text/javascript" by adding an additional extens= ion and removing
=C2=A0 =C2=A0usage warnings.=C2=A0 This document updates RFC4329, "Scr= ipting Media
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Types".


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr= aft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02
https://datatracker.ietf.= org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdif= f?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

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--0000000000000d822c0570a91c1e-- From nobody Tue Jul 10 16:49:34 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B9F130DE3; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 16:49:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G_iORH4PE6oJ; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 16:49:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x242.google.com (mail-oi0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B6FF130DDC; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 16:49:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x242.google.com with SMTP id b15-v6so45958450oib.10; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 16:49:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=/F6GO8K0Qtx4RL6X3CjSPmYdUXvUrVTHQLSKar1HzR8=; b=P+GNB/WAI8iB1hzyNpt2Y0rjNjCpLVePT6f+IzcLbBqpVmrUAHcSZdWQLsC8TOPOpY +WPJ8O0t8Ja0VvX+ijY7Si+l+Slv2dCPdxTqs7h0RjmJW0zJdAYkcn7P3dh/58sP1nmy ZIdMU3hPv/5gBjvevfGLhmD6inAhPyFDuRl8uVxAUXA8Uaoc8nQhG991bftovjAy07+2 7oIJDIt/Ot32unSqLLd0Py/VZgNLNvrxEODVimP2q5OXXKtgTnVgolP4kAH5k+JgFJXx VJSrV+EV5OgSnThI+BJFiVtPsfrkBntgMwHalGgOGGexcejBqo6CT2a7JxNtESanrhTl JuFg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=/F6GO8K0Qtx4RL6X3CjSPmYdUXvUrVTHQLSKar1HzR8=; b=Ale/WEMlRZaY/leB9+U2ax28rU8PL5qM2ysUQgqZdXfTVuRlIuIzy2Abp08a5LvVMb Tk1gIoUeroVO8w+E3Qgruq5ovUuGAp8eJ5hJTpSd+8rRXPaKtPAHhU5Fik6ih3hxQrPe qdcAWiClVZamZX4dt7T6H3JQF7Qi4HB+dPfGWTN17y8Lh//yjwFQ1aBTu+pZc5LfAGh5 pD+dXGgM3nA/ZASnXu62M2JeppcBMwDKcch9Ts1bJoqzuR8pjPWwrDagqzbaIIpiKTaB 0KYlYNwAP/S63Ot1XfTC+mVh9PioZKq+65EuB+FMflMzyBpJLanGvV0Il7VsOv7qtruU KrKA== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E1Txr16FCVoJyb32Qj/y/2OOs+dgZbCCZFmoiyWyqV17NCFjQ9j Ptb26Z68sJs8oCXMYkOE3OIJRthRK8eH/lwz/O4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpfx8Ekid1JW4FHiyamskE3RRsgEqnzhfIMPFS5IL0kOLcGG+s7Nme+nyk7sONwAwZ2UggiOXMRgYTjPEIKJHFc= X-Received: by 2002:aca:3d43:: with SMTP id k64-v6mr28260445oia.166.1531266568801; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 16:49:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Martin Thomson Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 09:49:17 +1000 Message-ID: To: Mary Barnes Cc: DISPATCH , Barry Leiba , draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [dispatch] WGLC: draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02.txt X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 23:49:34 -0000 LGTM It's odd to see Matt listed in the acknowledgments and as an author. It would help to have a short statement saying which of the many media types is not obsolete, as the bulk of them are. On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 4:15 AM Mary Barnes wrote: > > Hi all, > > > We would like to start a 2 week WGLC for this document. If you think the document is ready, please respond to this email. If you have comments that you would like considered and/or any editorial suggestions, please post those as well. > > > The WGLC ends on July 25, 2018. > > > Regards, > > Mary > > DISPATCH WG tri-chair > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: > Date: Tue, May 8, 2018 at 5:41 PM > Subject: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02.txt > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: dispatch@ietf..org > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Dispatch WG of the IETF. > > Title : ECMAScript Media Types Updates > Authors : Bradley Farias > Matthew A. Miller > Filename : draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02.txt > Pages : 21 > Date : 2018-05-08 > > Abstract: > This document proposes updates to the ECMAScript media types, > superseding the existing registrations for "application/javascript" > and "text/javascript" by adding an additional extension and removing > usage warnings. This document updates RFC4329, "Scripting Media > Types". > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > dispatch mailing list > dispatch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch > > > _______________________________________________ > dispatch mailing list > dispatch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch From nobody Tue Jul 10 18:05:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8622130DC7; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 18:05:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.941 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.941 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=dbaron.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IwUeaqLxp8YI; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 18:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net (relay1-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 947B0127332; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 18:05:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 103.21.135.19 Received: from pescadero.dbaron.org (unknown [103.21.135.19]) (Authenticated sender: dbaron-out@dbaron.org) by relay1-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AD13C240007; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 01:05:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pescadero.dbaron.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D378E120119; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 01:05:05 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dbaron.org; s=b; t=1531271105; bh=+3ePGb+sNY/PU3JkNz3GBl09ehgXV+lW7hyTVGHtyfg=; l=5519; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=pdlxQhLHvk/a4lza0TYCO0uuQIis+5JtXDAoIDaXd+GImP1Y7NI9LJtwrb1iirSMw foq0rClAGkm9IyZwM/Nr2HcmUlLi73O6og+RDCWY1Z2WJc4ALugeT5qhXQsd+QeY1W msI4SM4j4ii/BeC2xFToc583sMkTptvRbtl2bBXLu9BJykcEIbXclXb3sALRezN1Sa cfF1F7dl9KwohG0jIzRlbTCWQ6oV3ljwHCFbW5pkACXj7PEFr9jPs49Hai7VDQb+N/ EEYWUHv7pfD/HYTJlB7ZmSnD9kLSo6wdXVbRaNCxVaTrATyCJzcw6XBoqhhrNfLV8E SIuikMXRPNPQA== Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 11:05:05 +1000 From: "L. David Baron" To: Mary Barnes Cc: DISPATCH , draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs@ietf.org, Barry Leiba Message-ID: <20180711010505.GA4920@pescadero.dbaron.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DocE+STaALJfprDB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [dispatch] WGLC: draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02.txt X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 01:05:18 -0000 --DocE+STaALJfprDB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi - I have a few comments on the document: There are two things that might be read to imply that processors (e.g., browsers) should change their behavior as a result of file extensions. In particular, in section 4 (Registration): In addition, a new file extension of .mjs is to be added to the list of file extensions with the restriction that it must correspond to the Module grammar of [ECMA-262]. and then repeatedly in the subsections of that section: Restrictions on usage: The file extension .mjs must be parsed using the Module grammar of [ECMA-262]=20 This seems like a reasonable thing to suggest as the intended use of the .mjs extension, but I think it could be read to imply that implementations should change their behavior as a result of file extensions, which would be a rather unusual requirement on the Web. If that requirement were the intent, it would seem to contradict the processing rules for script elements in the HTML specification at: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/scripting.html#attr-script-type which specify that the type attribute on the script element determines whether a script is interpreted as a classic script or as a module script. Additionally, I wonder whether it would be useful to have a section that documents the changes from RFC4329. The introduction to section 4 (Registration) seems to document some of them, but I noticed that it doesn't mention that application/ecmascript and application/javascript have been changed to Obsolete, and a number of types not previously listed in RFC4329 (but listed in https://mimesniff.spec.whatwg.org/#javascript-mime-type) have been added as Obsolete. (I didn't check for other differences.) I'm happy to see the obsolete/common distinction in this draft reflecting current practice. -David On Tuesday 2018-07-10 13:15 -0500, Mary Barnes wrote: > Hi all, >=20 >=20 > We would like to start a 2 week WGLC for this document. If you think t= he > document is ready, please respond to this email. If you have comments th= at > you would like considered and/or any editorial suggestions, please post > those as well. >=20 >=20 > The WGLC ends on July 25, 2018. >=20 >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Mary >=20 > DISPATCH WG tri-chair >=20 > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: ; > Date: Tue, May 8, 2018 at 5:41 PM > Subject: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02.txt > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: dispatch@ietf.org >=20 >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Dispatch WG of the IETF. >=20 > Title : ECMAScript Media Types Updates > Authors : Bradley Farias > Matthew A. Miller > Filename : draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02.txt > Pages : 21 > Date : 2018-05-08 >=20 > Abstract: > This document proposes updates to the ECMAScript media types, > superseding the existing registrations for "application/javascript" > and "text/javascript" by adding an additional extension and removing > usage warnings. This document updates RFC4329, "Scripting Media > Types". >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-= 02 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > dispatch mailing list > dispatch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch >=20 --=20 =F0=9D=84=9E L. 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There has been some discussion on the HTTP list (e.g. https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2018JulSep/0041.html), but the most detailed presentation on this proposal will be here in Dispatch. HELIUM has relevance to privacy protection, P2P through NAT, VPNs, advanced IP features, QUIC, and congestion control, among other topics. I hope anyone who's interested will read the draft (or at least the introduction) before our session on Monday. Thanks, Ben --000000000000795ec80570bc8fa9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Dispatch,


There has be= en some discussion on the HTTP list (e.g.=C2=A0https://lists.w3.org= /Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2018JulSep/0041.html), but the most detai= led presentation on this proposal will be here in Dispatch.

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HELIUM has relevance to privacy protection, P2P through NAT, VPNs= , advanced IP features, QUIC, and congestion control, among other topics.= =C2=A0 I hope anyone who's interested will read the draft (or at least = the introduction) before our session on Monday.

Th= anks,
Ben
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dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70564130EA0 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:15:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.879 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.879 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R4WyNf9Sgb21 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08EE0130EFF for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Svantevit.roach.at (cpe-70-122-154-80.tx.res.rr.com 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List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 19:15:52 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BF1D9D0C73AB38F6794AD20F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit [as an individual] This is small, but it's going to be a recurring papercut if this works gains traction: I'm having a really hard time reading a document talking about "HIP" that is in no way related to https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/hip/about/ -- please consider renaming this protocol. It would probably also be worthwhile explaining how the features of HELIUM are significantly different than RFC 1928. I see raw IP tunneling and WebSocket support as differentiators, but it's not clear that this requires restarting the protocol from ground zero rather than extending an existing extensible protocol. Lest my suggestion above be perceived as tongue-in-cheek, I'm dead serious: RFC 1928 is used extensively by the Tor network, and there is a fair body of deployed code in modern use, at least in that context. /a On 7/11/18 12:27 PM, Ben Schwartz wrote: > Hi Dispatch, > > One of the drafts on the Dispatch agenda for next week is HELIUM: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schwartz-httpbis-helium-00. > > There has been some discussion on the HTTP list (e.g. > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2018JulSep/0041.html), > but the most detailed presentation on this proposal will be here in > Dispatch. > > HELIUM has relevance to privacy protection, P2P through NAT, VPNs, > advanced IP features, QUIC, and congestion control, among other > topics.  I hope anyone who's interested will read the draft (or at > least the introduction) before our session on Monday. > > Thanks, > Ben > > > _______________________________________________ > dispatch mailing list > dispatch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch --------------BF1D9D0C73AB38F6794AD20F Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
[as an individual]

This is small, but it's going to be a recurring papercut if this works gains traction: I'm having a really hard time reading a document talking about "HIP" that is in no way related to https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/hip/about/ -- please consider renaming this protocol.

It would probably also be worthwhile explaining how the features of HELIUM are significantly different than RFC 1928. I see raw IP tunneling and WebSocket support as differentiators, but it's not clear that this requires restarting the protocol from ground zero rather than extending an existing extensible protocol.

Lest my suggestion above be perceived as tongue-in-cheek, I'm dead serious: RFC 1928 is used extensively by the Tor network, and there is a fair body of deployed code in modern use, at least in that context.

/a

On 7/11/18 12:27 PM, Ben Schwartz wrote:
Hi Dispatch,

One of the drafts on the Dispatch agenda for next week is HELIUM: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schwartz-httpbis-helium-00.

There has been some discussion on the HTTP list (e.g. https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2018JulSep/0041.html), but the most detailed presentation on this proposal will be here in Dispatch.

HELIUM has relevance to privacy protection, P2P through NAT, VPNs, advanced IP features, QUIC, and congestion control, among other topics.  I hope anyone who's interested will read the draft (or at least the introduction) before our session on Monday.

Thanks,
Ben


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It would probably also be worthwhile explaining how the features of HELIUM > are significantly different than RFC 1928. I see raw IP tunneling and > WebSocket support as differentiators, but it's not clear that this requires > restarting the protocol from ground zero rather than extending an existing > extensible protocol. > > Lest my suggestion above be perceived as tongue-in-cheek, I'm dead > serious: RFC 1928 is used extensively by the Tor network, and there is a > fair body of deployed code in modern use, at least in that context. > I've written a lot of code for RFC 1928 (SOCKS 5) myself, including the rarely used SOCKS5-UDP support, so I fully appreciate this. Alternatively TURN also supports UDP, and with RFC 6062 can proxy TCP too. I do feel that a clean-slate design is worthwhile in this case, but you're right that I haven't really tried to argue that in the draft. I'll think about the right way to make that claim. > > /a > > On 7/11/18 12:27 PM, Ben Schwartz wrote: > > Hi Dispatch, > > One of the drafts on the Dispatch agenda for next week is HELIUM: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schwartz-httpbis-helium-00. > > There has been some discussion on the HTTP list (e.g. > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2018JulSep/0041.html), > but the most detailed presentation on this proposal will be here in > Dispatch. > > HELIUM has relevance to privacy protection, P2P through NAT, VPNs, > advanced IP features, QUIC, and congestion control, among other topics. I > hope anyone who's interested will read the draft (or at least the > introduction) before our session on Monday. > > Thanks, > Ben > > > _______________________________________________ > dispatch mailing listdispatch@ietf.orghttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch > > > --0000000000001d92730570bebbcc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, Jul 11= , 2018 at 3:15 PM Adam Roach <adam@n= ostrum.com> wrote:
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This is small, but it's going to be a recurring papercut if this works gains traction: I'm having a really hard time reading a document talking about "HIP" that is in no way related to https://datatracke= r.ietf.org/wg/hip/about/ -- please consider renaming this protocol.

OK, will do.

It would probably also be worthwhile explaining how the features of HELIUM are significantly different than RFC 1928. I see raw IP tunneling and WebSocket support as differentiators, but it's not clear that this requires restarting the protocol from ground zero rather than extending an existing extensible protocol.

Lest my suggestion above be perceived as tongue-in-cheek, I'm dea= d serious: RFC 1928 is used extensively by the Tor network, and there is a fair body of deployed code in modern use, at least in that context.

I'v= e written a lot of code for RFC 1928 (SOCKS 5) myself, including the rarely= used SOCKS5-UDP support, so I fully appreciate this.=C2=A0 Alternatively T= URN also supports UDP, and with RFC 6062 can proxy TCP too.=C2=A0 I do feel= that a clean-slate design is worthwhile in this case, but you're right= that I haven't really tried to argue that in the draft.=C2=A0 I'll= think about the right way to make that claim.
=C2=A0

/a

On 7/11/18 12:27 PM, Ben Schwartz wrote:
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Hi Dispatch,

One of the drafts on the Dispatch agenda for next week is HELIUM:=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sc= hwartz-httpbis-helium-00.

There has been some discussion on the HTTP list (e.g.=C2=A0https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/20= 18JulSep/0041.html), but the most detailed presentation on this proposal will be here in Dispatch.

HELIUM has relevance to privacy protection, P2P through NAT, VPNs, advanced IP features, QUIC, and congestion control, among other topics.=C2=A0 I hope anyone who's interested will= read the draft (or at least the introduction) before our session on Monday.

Thanks,
Ben


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-0400 Message-ID: To: Adam Roach Cc: Dispatch WG Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="0000000000006ae43d0570c03266" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [dispatch] HELIUM at Dispatch X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 21:47:49 -0000 --0000000000006ae43d0570c03266 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006136fb0570c032d8" --0000000000006136fb0570c032d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 4:02 PM Ben Schwartz wrote: > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 3:15 PM Adam Roach wrote: > >> [as an individual] >> >> This is small, but it's going to be a recurring papercut if this works >> gains traction: I'm having a really hard time reading a document talking >> about "HIP" that is in no way related to >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/hip/about/ -- please consider renaming >> this protocol. >> > > OK, will do. > > It would probably also be worthwhile explaining how the features of HELIUM >> are significantly different than RFC 1928. I see raw IP tunneling and >> WebSocket support as differentiators, but it's not clear that this requires >> restarting the protocol from ground zero rather than extending an existing >> extensible protocol. >> >> Lest my suggestion above be perceived as tongue-in-cheek, I'm dead >> serious: RFC 1928 is used extensively by the Tor network, and there is a >> fair body of deployed code in modern use, at least in that context. >> > > I've written a lot of code for RFC 1928 (SOCKS 5) myself, including the > rarely used SOCKS5-UDP support, so I fully appreciate this. Alternatively > TURN also supports UDP, and with RFC 6062 can proxy TCP too. I do feel > that a clean-slate design is worthwhile in this case, but you're right that > I haven't really tried to argue that in the draft. I'll think about the > right way to make that claim. > For completeness, I also want to mention the current SOCKS 6 proposal: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-olteanu-intarea-socks-6 > > >> >> /a >> >> On 7/11/18 12:27 PM, Ben Schwartz wrote: >> >> Hi Dispatch, >> >> One of the drafts on the Dispatch agenda for next week is HELIUM: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schwartz-httpbis-helium-00. >> >> There has been some discussion on the HTTP list (e.g. >> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2018JulSep/0041.html), >> but the most detailed presentation on this proposal will be here in >> Dispatch. >> >> HELIUM has relevance to privacy protection, P2P through NAT, VPNs, >> advanced IP features, QUIC, and congestion control, among other topics. I >> hope anyone who's interested will read the draft (or at least the >> introduction) before our session on Monday. >> >> Thanks, >> Ben >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dispatch mailing listdispatch@ietf.orghttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch >> >> >> --0000000000006136fb0570c032d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wed= , Jul 11, 2018 at 4:02 PM Ben Schwartz <bemasc@google.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 3:15 PM Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> wrote:
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[as an individual]

This is small, but it's going to be a recurring papercut if this works gains traction: I'm having a really hard time reading a document talking about "HIP" that is in no way related to https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/hip/about/ -- please consid= er renaming this protocol.

OK, will do.

It would probably also be worthwhile explaining how the features of HELIUM are significantly different than RFC 1928. I see raw IP tunneling and WebSocket support as differentiators, but it's not clear that this requires restarting the protocol from ground zero rather than extending an existing extensible protocol.

Lest my suggestion above be perceived as tongue-in-cheek, I'm dea= d serious: RFC 1928 is used extensively by the Tor network, and there is a fair body of deployed code in modern use, at least in that context.

I'v= e written a lot of code for RFC 1928 (SOCKS 5) myself, including the rarely= used SOCKS5-UDP support, so I fully appreciate this.=C2=A0 Alternatively T= URN also supports UDP, and with RFC 6062 can proxy TCP too.=C2=A0 I do feel= that a clean-slate design is worthwhile in this case, but you're right= that I haven't really tried to argue that in the draft.=C2=A0 I'll= think about the right way to make that claim.

For completeness, I also want to mention the current = SOCKS 6 proposal:=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-olteanu-intarea-socks-6=
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On 7/11/18 12:27 PM, Ben Schwartz wrote:
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Hi Dispatch,

One of the drafts on the Dispatch agenda for next week is HELIUM:=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sc= hwartz-httpbis-helium-00.

There has been some discussion on the HTTP list (e.g.=C2=A0https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/20= 18JulSep/0041.html), but the most detailed presentation on this proposal will be here in Dispatch.

HELIUM has relevance to privacy protection, P2P through NAT, VPNs, advanced IP features, QUIC, and congestion control, among other topics.=C2=A0 I hope anyone who's interested will= read the draft (or at least the introduction) before our session on Monday.

Thanks,
Ben


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boundary="000000000000446f290570ce48c5" Archived-At: Subject: [dispatch] Fwd: WGLC: draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02.txt X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 14:36:06 -0000 --000000000000446f290570ce48c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" this mailing list workflow is not my norm, sorry for the forwarding ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Bradley Meck Date: Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [dispatch] WGLC: draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02.txt To: Martin Thomson I added Matt because he spent a considerable amount of time in helping me make the document. Only `text/javascript` is not obsolete per https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/scripting.html#scriptingLanguages : Servers should use text/javascript for JavaScript resources. Servers should not use other JavaScript MIME types for JavaScript resources, and must not use non-JavaScript MIME types. We could add a paragraph stating that the other MIMEs are only there for backwards compatibility concerns at the top if that makes sense. On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 6:49 PM Martin Thomson wrote: > LGTM > > It's odd to see Matt listed in the acknowledgments and as an author. > > It would help to have a short statement saying which of the many media > types is not obsolete, as the bulk of them are. > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 4:15 AM Mary Barnes > wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > We would like to start a 2 week WGLC for this document. If you think > the document is ready, please respond to this email. If you have comments > that you would like considered and/or any editorial suggestions, please > post those as well. > > > > > > The WGLC ends on July 25, 2018. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Mary > > > > DISPATCH WG tri-chair > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: > > Date: Tue, May 8, 2018 at 5:41 PM > > Subject: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02.txt > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > Cc: dispatch@ietf..org > > > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > This draft is a work item of the Dispatch WG of the IETF. > > > > Title : ECMAScript Media Types Updates > > Authors : Bradley Farias > > Matthew A. Miller > > Filename : draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02.txt > > Pages : 21 > > Date : 2018-05-08 > > > > Abstract: > > This document proposes updates to the ECMAScript media types, > > superseding the existing registrations for "application/javascript" > > and "text/javascript" by adding an additional extension and removing > > usage warnings. This document updates RFC4329, "Scripting Media > > Types". > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs/ > > > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02 > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02 > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02 > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dispatch mailing list > > dispatch@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dispatch mailing list > > dispatch@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch > --000000000000446f290570ce48c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
this mailing list workflow is not my norm, sorry for the f= orwarding

---------- Fo= rwarded message ---------
From: Bradley Meck <bradley.meck@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Ju= l 12, 2018 at 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [dispatch] WGLC: draft-ietf-dispatch-= javascript-mjs-02.txt
To: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>


I added Matt because he spent a considerable amount of time in hel= ping me make the document. Only `text/javascript` is not obsolete per=C2=A0= https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/scriptin= g.html#scriptingLanguages :=C2=A0

Servers should use text/javascript= for JavaScript resources. Servers should not use other JavaScript MIME typ= es for JavaScript resources, and must not use non-JavaScript MIME types.

We could add a paragraph stating that the other MIMEs= are only there for backwards compatibility concerns at the top if that mak= es sense.

On Tue, Jul = 10, 2018 at 6:49 PM Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> wrote:
=
LGTM

It's odd to see Matt listed in the acknowledgments and as an author.
It would help to have a short statement saying which of the many media
types is not obsolete, as the bulk of them are.
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 4:15 AM Mary Barnes <mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com> wro= te:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
> We would like to start a 2 week WGLC for this document.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I= f you think the document is ready, please respond to this email.=C2=A0 If y= ou have comments that you would like considered and/or any editorial sugges= tions, please post those as well.
>
>
> The WGLC ends on July 25, 2018.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Mary
>
> DISPATCH WG tri-chair
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
> Date: Tue, May 8, 2018 at 5:41 PM
> Subject: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02.= txt
> To: i-d-ann= ounce@ietf.org
> Cc: dispatch@ietf..org
>
>
>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts dir= ectories.
> This draft is a work item of the Dispatch WG of the IETF.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0: ECMAScript Media Types Updates
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0: Bradley Farias
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Matthew A. Miller
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02.txt
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0: 21
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 : 2018-05-08
>
> Abstract:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This document proposes updates to the ECMAScript media ty= pes,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 superseding the existing registrations for "applicat= ion/javascript"
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 and "text/javascript" by adding an additional e= xtension and removing
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 usage warnings.=C2=A0 This document updates RFC4329, &quo= t;Scripting Media
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Types".
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs/
>
> There are also htmlized versions available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr= aft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02
> https://datatracker.= ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02
>
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> https://www.ietf.org/r= fcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02
>
>
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of subm= ission
> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >
> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>
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--000000000000446f290570ce48c5-- From nobody Thu Jul 12 07:36:56 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D8C213112D; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 07:36:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YVDqZ8Q6Klne; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 07:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x22d.google.com (mail-it0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B83B130E3E; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 07:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id p17-v6so7074685itc.2; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 07:36:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=gYorm+Sp3uSAhQThZU5C55XCrZnfWwcbJ4z4TybqA3s=; b=QYeNs8xDHPSX02yA4XpPS7hcMWSmYOHmJKVdn9U1TreWft534agQ+z6P/AbNhckEsM 6EUQyuaFLesOZDQgWtYdJY3MjjJTD0Onkft9gLoDiE5aQYlOEne7D8vVBDkQFVMWV2SW nD/zSaoESfjMPgV5nRJ/OVGoC3bnN+MlN0nn7WyubEoXHM9Rqhv/eDQfWiq3fu0TVs2y eLF3PIIbGen/MZDhkdc2QVf8/u7PA0zjwhI+owUngX/kB5sQIEai7+VvKRAGNCgz6V4H TSwJp/AMJS0AX7ya+3vfVrjlxhBOVvOLFU5gK8MB/pN9tZU4wExYQjsr40HlEtH8JRgo V3Sw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=gYorm+Sp3uSAhQThZU5C55XCrZnfWwcbJ4z4TybqA3s=; b=rWeZ7skkPfqXz2EVcEYY+PSxJkSzYGZMZtMNwVPzKBOZTnJS2l7S377siH0wydl9Qo Z8sSTxJTIz564+MyniKyDe8Xq5340GAhWAqHaX0QEiU/8T4UNTcS0g1m+rQpiSu/xXXI wxZcX3baVP25soAAdmjzfWSrNS7QTJPW5f26D2MfFFmoZdDSoCvtQb3VJ6z/HMelF5Kc 4qDDRfk8ZmnbC3dAnxU7YEUrp0GsYIuK7aY7ese2jbf+TPXsYNfTjBG1Ihl9b+uVMXFt /qElWnLWsH9VxqRxsqeV/N63ZSHF4lAgE9lZhVCzGGNBKwHFeRzgnyQbqXBFukM99hTw XIpw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlHggCYw8ymu5VIwHuRlgxVig47eIRSfppKYiLa4ZxjZ3betk5ci h59Obfi5+wVC0iE1vv4wsZSXiERvAMrTuybipi3uAf5o X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpf8LccxCh173pQSiXLjnlrcty2gL9aQm28jXyDNzDuHxwzxmVTsC7+shTgpA431qYtzgfCuZOY5QwMWN8NJN80= X-Received: by 2002:a02:8895:: with SMTP id n21-v6mr1743766jaj.21.1531406204504; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 07:36:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20180711010505.GA4920@pescadero.dbaron.org> In-Reply-To: From: Bradley Meck Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 09:36:34 -0500 Message-ID: To: DISPATCH , draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d394150570ce4aef" Archived-At: Subject: [dispatch] Fwd: WGLC: draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02.txt X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 14:36:51 -0000 --000000000000d394150570ce4aef Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this mailing list workflow is not my norm, sorry for the forwarding ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Bradley Meck Date: Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [dispatch] WGLC: draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-02.txt To: This seems like a reasonable thing to suggest as the intended use of the .mjs extension, but I think it could be read to imply that implementations should change their behavior as a result of file extensions, which would be a rather unusual requirement on the Web. If that requirement were the intent, it would seem to contradict the processing rules for script elements in the HTML specification at: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/scripting.html#attr-script-type which specify that the type attribute on the script element determines whether a script is interpreted as a classic script or as a module script. ---- Browsers use MIME to determine how to interpret resources when under `