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Gorry,

    Can you comment on the status of the IETF working group (I don't see it
listed yet on the working groups page) and whether or not there will be an
IPDVB meeting in Seoul?



John

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LAST Call for Papers

The original deadline for submission to the forth-coming
Special Issue of the International Journal of Computer Networks devoted to
"Internet over Digital Broadcast Video Networks" has been extended to:

20th February 2004.

Final copies of all papers must be sent by the above date to the 
following email address:

gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk or marie@mjmontpetit.com

The prefered format for the review process is PDF, although other 
formats may be accepted. Details of the final format required for accepted
submissions may be found at:

http://authors.elsevier.com/JournalDetail.html?PubID=505606&Precis=

If your submission has been acknowledged, and a paper number allocated, 
then no further action is required by you - but you *MAY* update your 
manuscript and resubmit before the above revised deadline.

DETAIL OF CALL

Internet over Digital Broadcast Video Networks
Editors: Marie-José Montpetit, mjmontpetit.com and
Gorry Fairhurst, Universtity of Aberdeen

Digital Video Broadcasting (DVB) technologies are widely used over 
broadcast media that include satellite (DVB-S), cable (DVB-C and Open 
Cable) and terrestrial (DVB-T). They provide unidirectional 
communications from the content provider to the end user. The return 
channel can be either via a terrestrial technology or via satellite (DVB 
return channel system or RCS). Current standards define a link layer 
protocol to enable transmission of the digital multimedia content. More 
and more, however, DVB is used to build Internet-compatible networks. In 
order to do this an MPEG-2 Transport Stream cell is used as a 
“container” for the IP packets with an added encapsulation header to 
allow the information to be adequately processed. Over the years a 
number of encapsulation methods have been explored to transmit data over 
broadcast media. The current standard for DVB is the Multi-Protocol 
Encapsulation (MPE). While this may be used to send Internet Packets, 
there are further issues that arise when used to build an Internet 
Service. Such issues are an active research topic, and have received 
recent attention in the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) 
community. In addition, recent efforts have been dedicated to making DVB 
a more dynamic network with protocols for address resolution and 
multicast group management to complement current solution that use table 
based methods. Finally, the support for Quality of Service (QoS) and 
security service is also actively pursued.

This special issue intends to review current IP over DVB research and 
establish what the status of this important technology is in the 
deployment of the broadband networks of the near future. Topics 
addressed by the special issue include (but are not limited to):
- system design and scenarios
- DVB and MPEG-2 networking technologies
- encapsulation and hardware/software implementations for IPv4 and v6
- address resolution
- multicast group management
- quality of service issues
- simulation of DVB networks
- standardization efforts

REVIEW PROCESS

Each paper will independently be reviewed against the goal of the call 
for papers,
the technical content, the contribution to the field, and the quality of 
the finished submission.
A summary of reviewers comments will be returned to the authors at the 
end of the submission process.

TIMETABLE

Full papers due: February 20th 2004 (Final call)
Reviews returned: April 19th
Final Manuscript due: June 1st


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John,

We are still not an IETF working group, but there has been progress 
behind the scenes.

A proposed charter for this WG was circulated by the IESG to the IETF 
and Internet Area Chairs before the last Minneapolis IETF meeting.
There was some feedback that we have been working to address resulting 
in the latest version of our proposed charter text below.  We're still 
working to tune the milestones, etc. but I  am  expecting that this 
charter will be submited to the IESG for consideration at their next 
meeting on 22-Jan. 

We've had BoFs at the previous two IETFs. I am undecided about the need 
to call a meeting in Seoul (so if *anyone* has views, please do tell the 
list). It seems we are making progress with the ULE Spec, and that the 
requirements document is now in a position where the WG could offer 
comments and suggestions.

If there is a need to meet, I'd be very willing to ask for a meeting 
slot, but obviously not all groups can meet at every IETF (there simply 
wouldn't be space), so the question is I guess, are there issues that 
need to be discussed, agenda items, or new inputs that we can expect in 
the next month?

Gorry

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IP over MPEG-2/DVB (ipdvb)

Chair(s):
Gorry Fairhurst <gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk>

Responsible Area Director:
Margaret Wasserman <margaret@thingmagic.com>

Mailing Lists:
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Description of Working Group:
The WG will develop new protocols and architectures to enable better
deployment of IP over MPEG-2 transport and provide easier interworking
with IP networks. Specific properties of this subnetwork technology
include link-layer support for unicast and multicast, large numbers
of down-stream receivers, and efficiency of transmission. These
properties resemble those in some other wireless networks. The specific
ndards: DVB-RCS; DVB-S and DVB-T and related ATSC Specifications) in
 protocols on the existing generation of networks.

The WG will endeavour to reuse existing open standard technologies,
giving guidance on usage in IP networks, whenever they are able to
fulfil requirements. For instance, it acknowledges the existing
Multiprotocol Encapsulation (MPE) [ATSC A/90;ETSI EN 301192] and that
this will continue to be deployed in the future to develop new markets.
Any alternative encapsulation would need to co-exist with MPE.

Appropriate standards will be defined to support transmission of IPv4
and IPv6 datagrams between IP networks connected using MPEG-2 transport
subnetworks. This includes options for encapsulation, dynamic unicast
address resolution for IPv4/IPv6, and the mechanisms needed to map
routed IP multicast traffic to the MPEG-2 transport subnetwork. The
standards will be appropriate to both MPE and any alternative
encapsulation method developed. The developed protocols may also be
applicable to other multicast enabled subnetwork technologies supporting
large numbers of directly connected systems.

The current list of work items is:
Specify the requirements and architecture for supporting IPv4/IPv6 via
MPEG-2 transmission networks. Such requirements should consider the range
of platforms currently (or anticipated to be) in use. This draft will be
an Informational RFC.

Define a standards-track RFC defining an efficient encapsulation method.
The design will consider the need for MAC addresses, the potential need
for synchronisation between streams, support for a wide range of IPv4/IPv6
and multicast traffic.

Provide an Informational RFC describing a framework for unicast and
multicast address resolution over MPEG-2 transmission networks. The
document will describe options for the address resolution process,
relating these to appropriate usage scenarios and suggesting appropriate
protocol mechanisms for both the existing Multi-Protocol Encapsulation
(MPE) and the efficient encapsulation (2). Consideration will be paid to
existing standards, and the cases for IPv6 and IPv4 will be described.

Define standards-track RFC(s) to specify procedures for dynamic address
resolution for IPv4/IPv6. This will describe the protocol and syntax of
the information exchanged to bind unicast and multicast flows to the MPEG-2
TS Logical Channels. This will include specific optimisations 
appropriate for
networks reaching large numbers of down-stream systems.

Goals and Milestones:

JAN 04    Draft of a WG Architecture ID describing usage of MPEG-2
          transport for IP transmission.
MAR 04    Draft of a WG ID on the new Encapsulation.
JUL 04    Draft of a WG ID on the AR Framework, specifying mechanisms
          to perform address resolution.
JUL 04    Submit Architecture to IESG
OCT 04    Draft of a WG ID or the AR Protocol, defining a protocol to
          perform IP address resolution.
OCT 04    Submit Encapsulation to IESG
APR 05    Submit AR Framework to IESG
AUG 05    Submit AR Protocol to IESG
AUG 05    Progress the Encapsulation RFC along the IETF standards track.


>  
>


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I was mainly just curious.  I am probably not going to be in Seoul so I
definitely don't have any suggestions re needing a meeting.  And, from the
proposed milestones, it doesn't look like anything will come up sooner than
San Diego...


John


Gorry Fairhurst wrote:
> 
> John,
> 
> We are still not an IETF working group, but there has been progress
> behind the scenes.
> 
> A proposed charter for this WG was circulated by the IESG to the IETF
> and Internet Area Chairs before the last Minneapolis IETF meeting.
> There was some feedback that we have been working to address resulting
> in the latest version of our proposed charter text below.  We're still
> working to tune the milestones, etc. but I  am  expecting that this
> charter will be submited to the IESG for consideration at their next
> meeting on 22-Jan.
> 
> We've had BoFs at the previous two IETFs. I am undecided about the need
> to call a meeting in Seoul (so if *anyone* has views, please do tell the
> list). It seems we are making progress with the ULE Spec, and that the
> requirements document is now in a position where the WG could offer
> comments and suggestions.
> 
> If there is a need to meet, I'd be very willing to ask for a meeting
> slot, but obviously not all groups can meet at every IETF (there simply
> wouldn't be space), so the question is I guess, are there issues that
> need to be discussed, agenda items, or new inputs that we can expect in
> the next month?
> 
> Gorry
> 
> -------
> 
> IP over MPEG-2/DVB (ipdvb)
> 
> Chair(s):
> Gorry Fairhurst <gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk>
> 
> Responsible Area Director:
> Margaret Wasserman <margaret@thingmagic.com>
> 
> Mailing Lists:
> General Discussion:  ip-dvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk
> To subscribe:        subscribe ip-dvb at majordomo@erg.abdn.ac.uk
> Archive:             http://www.erg.abdn.ac.uk/ip-dvb/archive/
> 
> Description of Working Group:
> The WG will develop new protocols and architectures to enable better
> deployment of IP over MPEG-2 transport and provide easier interworking
> with IP networks. Specific properties of this subnetwork technology
> include link-layer support for unicast and multicast, large numbers
> of down-stream receivers, and efficiency of transmission. These
> properties resemble those in some other wireless networks. The specific
> ndards: DVB-RCS; DVB-S and DVB-T and related ATSC Specifications) in
>  protocols on the existing generation of networks.
> 
> The WG will endeavour to reuse existing open standard technologies,
> giving guidance on usage in IP networks, whenever they are able to
> fulfil requirements. For instance, it acknowledges the existing
> Multiprotocol Encapsulation (MPE) [ATSC A/90;ETSI EN 301192] and that
> this will continue to be deployed in the future to develop new markets.
> Any alternative encapsulation would need to co-exist with MPE.
> 
> Appropriate standards will be defined to support transmission of IPv4
> and IPv6 datagrams between IP networks connected using MPEG-2 transport
> subnetworks. This includes options for encapsulation, dynamic unicast
> address resolution for IPv4/IPv6, and the mechanisms needed to map
> routed IP multicast traffic to the MPEG-2 transport subnetwork. The
> standards will be appropriate to both MPE and any alternative
> encapsulation method developed. The developed protocols may also be
> applicable to other multicast enabled subnetwork technologies supporting
> large numbers of directly connected systems.
> 
> The current list of work items is:
> Specify the requirements and architecture for supporting IPv4/IPv6 via
> MPEG-2 transmission networks. Such requirements should consider the range
> of platforms currently (or anticipated to be) in use. This draft will be
> an Informational RFC.
> 
> Define a standards-track RFC defining an efficient encapsulation method.
> The design will consider the need for MAC addresses, the potential need
> for synchronisation between streams, support for a wide range of IPv4/IPv6
> and multicast traffic.
> 
> Provide an Informational RFC describing a framework for unicast and
> multicast address resolution over MPEG-2 transmission networks. The
> document will describe options for the address resolution process,
> relating these to appropriate usage scenarios and suggesting appropriate
> protocol mechanisms for both the existing Multi-Protocol Encapsulation
> (MPE) and the efficient encapsulation (2). Consideration will be paid to
> existing standards, and the cases for IPv6 and IPv4 will be described.
> 
> Define standards-track RFC(s) to specify procedures for dynamic address
> resolution for IPv4/IPv6. This will describe the protocol and syntax of
> the information exchanged to bind unicast and multicast flows to the MPEG-2
> TS Logical Channels. This will include specific optimisations
> appropriate for
> networks reaching large numbers of down-stream systems.
> 
> Goals and Milestones:
> 
> JAN 04    Draft of a WG Architecture ID describing usage of MPEG-2
>           transport for IP transmission.
> MAR 04    Draft of a WG ID on the new Encapsulation.
> JUL 04    Draft of a WG ID on the AR Framework, specifying mechanisms
>           to perform address resolution.
> JUL 04    Submit Architecture to IESG
> OCT 04    Draft of a WG ID or the AR Protocol, defining a protocol to
>           perform IP address resolution.
> OCT 04    Submit Encapsulation to IESG
> APR 05    Submit AR Framework to IESG
> AUG 05    Submit AR Protocol to IESG
> AUG 05    Progress the Encapsulation RFC along the IETF standards track.
> 
> >
> >

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Hi all,

The text in draft is :

In the CRC32 description, it should be added that the checksum to be
computed is the forward CRC-32 (as opposed to the reverse way, as I
learnt recently). So I would propose a sloght modification to the CRC
descritption in 4.6 :

"Each SNDU MUST carry a 32-bit CRC field in the last four bytes of
  the SNDU. This position eases CRC computation by hardware.  The forward
                                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^
  CRC-32 polynomial is to be used. This is a 32 bit value calculated
  according to the generator polynomial represented 0x04C11DB7 in
  hexadecimal: 
x^32+x^26+x^23+x^22+x^16+x^12+x^11+x^10+x^8+x^7+x^5+x^4+x^2+x^1+x^0. "


More over, there are reference to Ethernet, MPE, and AAL5,
"Examples where this polynomial is also employed include Ethernet,
  DSM-CC section syntax [ISO-DSMCC} and AAL5 [ITU3563]. The use
  resembles, but is different to that in SCTP [RFC3309]."

can anyone confirm, those are exactly the same computation 
(IV=0xffffffff, forward computation, no final XOR) ? if not, the
reference should be removed for it might lead to errors.

An exemple wouldn't hurt, so here is what I computed, for a small ping6
from 2001:660:3008:1789::5 to 2001:660:3008:1789::6, with the associated
DVB MAC addr being 01:02:03:04:05:06. It gives the following SNDU :

0000:  00 3f 86 dd 01 02 03 04 05 06 60 00 00 00 00 0d  .?........`.....
0010:  3a 40 20 01 06 60 30 08 17 89 00 00 00 00 00 00  :@ ..`0.........
0020:  00 05 20 01 06 60 30 08 17 89 00 00 00 00 00 00  .. ..`0.........
0030:  00 06 80 00 9c 58 07 70 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 02  .....X.p........
0040:  72 c9 c2                                         r..


Regards.
Alain.
-- 
Alain RITOUX
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Dear Frank,

I'm Hidetaka Izumiyama and I run a company called Wishnet Inc in Japan.
I used to chair IETF's UDLR-WG.

We have started implementation of ULE and we are very much interested in
the interoperability testing.  I would appreciate it if you could
provide me with further information on the interoperability testing or
advise how details can be found.  

Many thanks in advance for your assistance and I look forward to hearing
from you soon.

Best regards,

Hidetaka Izumiyama

President CEO
Wishnet Inc.
5-15-10-101 Shirokanedai, Minato-ku
Tokyo, 108-0071, Japan
Tel.+81-3-5447-7130
Fax.+81-3-5447-7131
Email: izu@wishnet.co.jp

> 1. ULE implementations
> 
> Two teams that were implementing ULE gave a presentation at the ip-over-dvb
> BOF at IETF-58. Information on these two ESA sponsored projects that will
> target the upcoming ULE draft revision 2 can be found on the ESA Telecom
> website:
> 
> http://telecom.esa.int/telecom/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=11271
> 
> and
> 
> http://telecom.esa.int/telecom/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=11265
> 
> This is related to other activities the European Space Agency has initiated
> to support the IPv4 to IPv6 transition in satellite telecommunications, more
> information on this can be found on
> 
> http://telecom.esa.int/telecom/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=11405
> 
> 2. ULE availability
> 
> A number of senders (modified routers or DVB-S encapsulators) and receivers
> ( PCI cards or modified routers) using these two prototype implementations
> will be available for experiments and interoperability tests, via ESA or the
> projects contacts. They are expected to be available around February 2004.
> 
> 3. ULE traces
> 
> As stated in the IETF-58 minutes: packet hex dumps used in these projects
> will be made available for early interoperability testing. They will be
> available via the IP-over-DVB list.
> 
> 4. ULE interoperability testing
> 
> Concerning receiver testing: in case there is interest , we would be willing
> to setup  at certain times a DVB-S carrier on a satellite with European
> coverage with  e.g.:
>       - one PID with ULE carrying  IPv4
>       - one PID with ULE carrying  IPv6
> 
> Concerning sender testing: our uplink facilities could be made available for
> such purposes.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> 
> Frank
> 
> 
> 
> Frank.Zeppenfeldt@esa.int
> Tel +31 (0)71 5654376
> Fax +31 (0)71 5654093
> http://telecom.esa.int/
> D-APP/TSM
> ESA/ESTEC (European Space & Technology Centre)
> Keplerlaan 1
> Postbus 299
> 2200 AG Noordwijk (The Netherlands)


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Dear Hidetaka,

We have an interoperability test planned in the first week of February 2004
between the two ESA sponsored implementations, see

http://telecom.esa.int/telecom/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=11271
http://telecom.esa.int/telecom/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=11265

After this basic interoperability event, a representative hex dump of a TS
with ULE 2.0 will be made available to the ip-over-dvb mailing list in such a
way that also other ULE implementers can do their interoperability tests.

It is our aim to have this dump and a corresponding description available on
the ip-over-dvb list a week after testing (if we reach a reasonable state of
interoperability during the first week of February).

In addition, one implementation mentioned above  will support one of the
well-known DVB-S receiving cards for Linux, and the required drivers to
support ULE 2.0 will be made freely available. This would be another way of
interoperability testing with your ULE 2.0 sender.

More details after the first week of February.

Best regards,

Frank





                                                                                                                                       
                      Hidetaka                                                                                                         
                      IZUMIYAMA                To:      ip-dvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk                                                          
                      <izu@wishnet.co.         cc:                                                                                     
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                      2004/01/15 03:15                                                                                                 
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Dear Frank,

I'm Hidetaka Izumiyama and I run a company called Wishnet Inc in Japan.
I used to chair IETF's UDLR-WG.

We have started implementation of ULE and we are very much interested in
the interoperability testing.  I would appreciate it if you could
provide me with further information on the interoperability testing or
advise how details can be found.

Many thanks in advance for your assistance and I look forward to hearing
from you soon.

Best regards,

Hidetaka Izumiyama

President CEO
Wishnet Inc.
5-15-10-101 Shirokanedai, Minato-ku
Tokyo, 108-0071, Japan
Tel.+81-3-5447-7130
Fax.+81-3-5447-7131
Email: izu@wishnet.co.jp

> 1. ULE implementations
>
> Two teams that were implementing ULE gave a presentation at the ip-over-dvb
> BOF at IETF-58. Information on these two ESA sponsored projects that will
> target the upcoming ULE draft revision 2 can be found on the ESA Telecom
> website:
>
> http://telecom.esa.int/telecom/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=11271
>
> and
>
> http://telecom.esa.int/telecom/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=11265
>
> This is related to other activities the European Space Agency has initiated
> to support the IPv4 to IPv6 transition in satellite telecommunications,
more
> information on this can be found on
>
> http://telecom.esa.int/telecom/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=11405
>
> 2. ULE availability
>
> A number of senders (modified routers or DVB-S encapsulators) and receivers
> ( PCI cards or modified routers) using these two prototype implementations
> will be available for experiments and interoperability tests, via ESA or
the
> projects contacts. They are expected to be available around February 2004.
>
> 3. ULE traces
>
> As stated in the IETF-58 minutes: packet hex dumps used in these projects
> will be made available for early interoperability testing. They will be
> available via the IP-over-DVB list.
>
> 4. ULE interoperability testing
>
> Concerning receiver testing: in case there is interest , we would be
willing
> to setup  at certain times a DVB-S carrier on a satellite with European
> coverage with  e.g.:
>       - one PID with ULE carrying  IPv4
>       - one PID with ULE carrying  IPv6
>
> Concerning sender testing: our uplink facilities could be made available
for
> such purposes.
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Frank
>
>
>
> Frank.Zeppenfeldt@esa.int
> Tel +31 (0)71 5654376
> Fax +31 (0)71 5654093
> http://telecom.esa.int/
> D-APP/TSM
> ESA/ESTEC (European Space & Technology Centre)
> Keplerlaan 1
> Postbus 299
> 2200 AG Noordwijk (The Netherlands)







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Hello Frank,

My company is going to be using ULE for an IP over DVB implementation. I
would be very interested in the specifics of this interoperability testing.
What is the specification for ULE that you are using, the draft RFC
ule-02.txt?

Thanks,
Kevin Kimmich

Kevin Kimmich
Software Engineer
Efficient Channel Coding
600 Safeguard Plaza
Suite 100
Brooklyn Heights, OH 44131
216.635.1610


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ip-dvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk [mailto:owner-ip-dvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk]On
Behalf Of Frank.Zeppenfeldt@esa.int
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 2:03 AM
To: ip-dvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk
Subject: Re: ULE implementations and interoperability testing



Dear Hidetaka,

We have an interoperability test planned in the first week of February 2004
between the two ESA sponsored implementations, see

http://telecom.esa.int/telecom/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=11271
http://telecom.esa.int/telecom/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=11265

After this basic interoperability event, a representative hex dump of a TS
with ULE 2.0 will be made available to the ip-over-dvb mailing list in such
a
way that also other ULE implementers can do their interoperability tests.

It is our aim to have this dump and a corresponding description available on
the ip-over-dvb list a week after testing (if we reach a reasonable state of
interoperability during the first week of February).

In addition, one implementation mentioned above  will support one of the
well-known DVB-S receiving cards for Linux, and the required drivers to
support ULE 2.0 will be made freely available. This would be another way of
interoperability testing with your ULE 2.0 sender.

More details after the first week of February.

Best regards,

Frank






                      Hidetaka
                      IZUMIYAMA                To:
ip-dvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk
                      <izu@wishnet.co.         cc:
                      jp>                      Subject: Re: ULE
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                      Sent by:
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                      2004/01/15 03:15
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Dear Frank,

I'm Hidetaka Izumiyama and I run a company called Wishnet Inc in Japan.
I used to chair IETF's UDLR-WG.

We have started implementation of ULE and we are very much interested in
the interoperability testing.  I would appreciate it if you could
provide me with further information on the interoperability testing or
advise how details can be found.

Many thanks in advance for your assistance and I look forward to hearing
from you soon.

Best regards,

Hidetaka Izumiyama

President CEO
Wishnet Inc.
5-15-10-101 Shirokanedai, Minato-ku
Tokyo, 108-0071, Japan
Tel.+81-3-5447-7130
Fax.+81-3-5447-7131
Email: izu@wishnet.co.jp

> 1. ULE implementations
>
> Two teams that were implementing ULE gave a presentation at the
ip-over-dvb
> BOF at IETF-58. Information on these two ESA sponsored projects that will
> target the upcoming ULE draft revision 2 can be found on the ESA Telecom
> website:
>
> http://telecom.esa.int/telecom/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=11271
>
> and
>
> http://telecom.esa.int/telecom/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=11265
>
> This is related to other activities the European Space Agency has
initiated
> to support the IPv4 to IPv6 transition in satellite telecommunications,
more
> information on this can be found on
>
> http://telecom.esa.int/telecom/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=11405
>
> 2. ULE availability
>
> A number of senders (modified routers or DVB-S encapsulators) and
receivers
> ( PCI cards or modified routers) using these two prototype implementations
> will be available for experiments and interoperability tests, via ESA or
the
> projects contacts. They are expected to be available around February 2004.
>
> 3. ULE traces
>
> As stated in the IETF-58 minutes: packet hex dumps used in these projects
> will be made available for early interoperability testing. They will be
> available via the IP-over-DVB list.
>
> 4. ULE interoperability testing
>
> Concerning receiver testing: in case there is interest , we would be
willing
> to setup  at certain times a DVB-S carrier on a satellite with European
> coverage with  e.g.:
>       - one PID with ULE carrying  IPv4
>       - one PID with ULE carrying  IPv6
>
> Concerning sender testing: our uplink facilities could be made available
for
> such purposes.
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Frank
>
>
>
> Frank.Zeppenfeldt@esa.int
> Tel +31 (0)71 5654376
> Fax +31 (0)71 5654093
> http://telecom.esa.int/
> D-APP/TSM
> ESA/ESTEC (European Space & Technology Centre)
> Keplerlaan 1
> Postbus 299
> 2200 AG Noordwijk (The Netherlands)








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Hello Kevin,

The basis for interoperability testing is indeed
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-fair-ipdvb-ule-02.txt

On the specifics of interoperability testing: basically it is a collection of
pings with different sizes for the "difficult" cases , some of them are
mentioned in the Annex A of the Internet-Draft.

Regards, Frank



                                                                                                                                       
                      "Kevin Kimmich"                                                                                                  
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Hello Frank,

My company is going to be using ULE for an IP over DVB implementation. I
would be very interested in the specifics of this interoperability testing.
What is the specification for ULE that you are using, the draft RFC
ule-02.txt?

Thanks,
Kevin Kimmich

Kevin Kimmich
Software Engineer
Efficient Channel Coding
600 Safeguard Plaza
Suite 100
Brooklyn Heights, OH 44131
216.635.1610


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ip-dvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk [mailto:owner-ip-dvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk]On
Behalf Of Frank.Zeppenfeldt@esa.int
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 2:03 AM
To: ip-dvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk
Subject: Re: ULE implementations and interoperability testing



Dear Hidetaka,

We have an interoperability test planned in the first week of February 2004
between the two ESA sponsored implementations, see

http://telecom.esa.int/telecom/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=11271
http://telecom.esa.int/telecom/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=11265

After this basic interoperability event, a representative hex dump of a TS
with ULE 2.0 will be made available to the ip-over-dvb mailing list in such
a
way that also other ULE implementers can do their interoperability tests.

It is our aim to have this dump and a corresponding description available on
the ip-over-dvb list a week after testing (if we reach a reasonable state of
interoperability during the first week of February).

In addition, one implementation mentioned above  will support one of the
well-known DVB-S receiving cards for Linux, and the required drivers to
support ULE 2.0 will be made freely available. This would be another way of
interoperability testing with your ULE 2.0 sender.

More details after the first week of February.

Best regards,

Frank






                      Hidetaka
                      IZUMIYAMA                To:
ip-dvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk
                      <izu@wishnet.co.         cc:
                      jp>                      Subject: Re: ULE
implementations and interoperability testing
                      Sent by:
                      owner-ip-dvb@erg
                      .abdn.ac.uk


                      2004/01/15 03:15
                      Please respond
                      to ip-dvb






Dear Frank,

I'm Hidetaka Izumiyama and I run a company called Wishnet Inc in Japan.
I used to chair IETF's UDLR-WG.

We have started implementation of ULE and we are very much interested in
the interoperability testing.  I would appreciate it if you could
provide me with further information on the interoperability testing or
advise how details can be found.

Many thanks in advance for your assistance and I look forward to hearing
from you soon.

Best regards,

Hidetaka Izumiyama

President CEO
Wishnet Inc.
5-15-10-101 Shirokanedai, Minato-ku
Tokyo, 108-0071, Japan
Tel.+81-3-5447-7130
Fax.+81-3-5447-7131
Email: izu@wishnet.co.jp

> 1. ULE implementations
>
> Two teams that were implementing ULE gave a presentation at the
ip-over-dvb
> BOF at IETF-58. Information on these two ESA sponsored projects that will
> target the upcoming ULE draft revision 2 can be found on the ESA Telecom
> website:
>
> http://telecom.esa.int/telecom/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=11271
>
> and
>
> http://telecom.esa.int/telecom/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=11265
>
> This is related to other activities the European Space Agency has
initiated
> to support the IPv4 to IPv6 transition in satellite telecommunications,
more
> information on this can be found on
>
> http://telecom.esa.int/telecom/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=11405
>
> 2. ULE availability
>
> A number of senders (modified routers or DVB-S encapsulators) and
receivers
> ( PCI cards or modified routers) using these two prototype implementations
> will be available for experiments and interoperability tests, via ESA or
the
> projects contacts. They are expected to be available around February 2004.
>
> 3. ULE traces
>
> As stated in the IETF-58 minutes: packet hex dumps used in these projects
> will be made available for early interoperability testing. They will be
> available via the IP-over-DVB list.
>
> 4. ULE interoperability testing
>
> Concerning receiver testing: in case there is interest , we would be
willing
> to setup  at certain times a DVB-S carrier on a satellite with European
> coverage with  e.g.:
>       - one PID with ULE carrying  IPv4
>       - one PID with ULE carrying  IPv6
>
> Concerning sender testing: our uplink facilities could be made available
for
> such purposes.
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Frank
>
>
>
> Frank.Zeppenfeldt@esa.int
> Tel +31 (0)71 5654376
> Fax +31 (0)71 5654093
> http://telecom.esa.int/
> D-APP/TSM
> ESA/ESTEC (European Space & Technology Centre)
> Keplerlaan 1
> Postbus 299
> 2200 AG Noordwijk (The Netherlands)













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Dear Frank,

Thank for very mush your information about interoperability test.
After the hex dump of TS available, we will compare with our results.

Best Regards,

Izu

> 
> Dear Hidetaka,
> 
> We have an interoperability test planned in the first week of February 2004
> between the two ESA sponsored implementations, see
> 
> http://telecom.esa.int/telecom/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=11271
> http://telecom.esa.int/telecom/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=11265
> 
> After this basic interoperability event, a representative hex dump of a TS
> with ULE 2.0 will be made available to the ip-over-dvb mailing list in such a
> way that also other ULE implementers can do their interoperability tests.
> 
> It is our aim to have this dump and a corresponding description available on
> the ip-over-dvb list a week after testing (if we reach a reasonable state of
> interoperability during the first week of February).
> 
> In addition, one implementation mentioned above  will support one of the
> well-known DVB-S receiving cards for Linux, and the required drivers to
> support ULE 2.0 will be made freely available. This would be another way of
> interoperability testing with your ULE 2.0 sender.
> 
> More details after the first week of February.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Frank
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>                                                                                                                                        
>                       Hidetaka                                                                                                         
>                       IZUMIYAMA                To:      ip-dvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk                                                          
>                       <izu@wishnet.co.         cc:                                                                                     
>                       jp>                      Subject: Re: ULE implementations and interoperability testing                           
>                       Sent by:                                                                                                         
>                       owner-ip-dvb@erg                                                                                                 
>                       .abdn.ac.uk                                                                                                      
>                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                        
>                       2004/01/15 03:15                                                                                                 
>                       Please respond                                                                                                   
>                       to ip-dvb                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                        
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Frank,
> 
> I'm Hidetaka Izumiyama and I run a company called Wishnet Inc in Japan.
> I used to chair IETF's UDLR-WG.
> 
> We have started implementation of ULE and we are very much interested in
> the interoperability testing.  I would appreciate it if you could
> provide me with further information on the interoperability testing or
> advise how details can be found.
> 
> Many thanks in advance for your assistance and I look forward to hearing
> from you soon.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Hidetaka Izumiyama
> 
> President CEO
> Wishnet Inc.
> 5-15-10-101 Shirokanedai, Minato-ku
> Tokyo, 108-0071, Japan
> Tel.+81-3-5447-7130
> Fax.+81-3-5447-7131
> Email: izu@wishnet.co.jp
> 
> > 1. ULE implementations
> >
> > Two teams that were implementing ULE gave a presentation at the ip-over-dvb
> > BOF at IETF-58. Information on these two ESA sponsored projects that will
> > target the upcoming ULE draft revision 2 can be found on the ESA Telecom
> > website:
> >
> > http://telecom.esa.int/telecom/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=11271
> >
> > and
> >
> > http://telecom.esa.int/telecom/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=11265
> >
> > This is related to other activities the European Space Agency has initiated
> > to support the IPv4 to IPv6 transition in satellite telecommunications,
> more
> > information on this can be found on
> >
> > http://telecom.esa.int/telecom/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=11405
> >
> > 2. ULE availability
> >
> > A number of senders (modified routers or DVB-S encapsulators) and receivers
> > ( PCI cards or modified routers) using these two prototype implementations
> > will be available for experiments and interoperability tests, via ESA or
> the
> > projects contacts. They are expected to be available around February 2004.
> >
> > 3. ULE traces
> >
> > As stated in the IETF-58 minutes: packet hex dumps used in these projects
> > will be made available for early interoperability testing. They will be
> > available via the IP-over-DVB list.
> >
> > 4. ULE interoperability testing
> >
> > Concerning receiver testing: in case there is interest , we would be
> willing
> > to setup  at certain times a DVB-S carrier on a satellite with European
> > coverage with  e.g.:
> >       - one PID with ULE carrying  IPv4
> >       - one PID with ULE carrying  IPv6
> >
> > Concerning sender testing: our uplink facilities could be made available
> for
> > such purposes.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >
> >
> > Frank.Zeppenfeldt@esa.int
> > Tel +31 (0)71 5654376
> > Fax +31 (0)71 5654093
> > http://telecom.esa.int/
> > D-APP/TSM
> > ESA/ESTEC (European Space & Technology Centre)
> > Keplerlaan 1
> > Postbus 299
> > 2200 AG Noordwijk (The Netherlands)
> 
> 


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So, I like this contribution, and agree that we should include some guidance
in an appendix to the next revision of the ULE-ID. I think we should await a
summary of the experience of the Salzburg Interop tests (next week) between
the two implementation that were described at the last IETF.

I've also made a note that the CRC description needs to be updated: One word
on the polynomial used for the CRC - the current ULE text is correct - but
the problem is that the specifying the polynomial does not provide
sufficient guidance on how to construct the CRC bytes.  I had thought
orginally we could refer to the use in SCTP, however since this placed the
CRC *WITHIN* the header, the procedure differs significantly. I propose we
explicitly talk about the polynomial - and THEN explicitly about the
computation. Text to be rewritten (thanks for the pointer).


Gorry

On 21/1/04 9:08 am, "Bernhard Collini-Nocker" <bnocker@cosy.sbg.ac.at>
wrote:

> Hi Gorry,
> 
> sorry to answer late, I am sick suffering from a cold.
> I am also convinced that this type of information could well fit into the
> draft, maybe only with a different example or an additional IPv4 example.
> 
> Bernhard
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gorry Fairhurst [mailto:gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk]
>> Sent: Donnerstag, 15. Janner 2004 20:26
>> To: Bernhard Collini-Nocker
>> Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: Some precisions about CRC32 description]]
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> This looks like the right sort of input to the ULE draft, but
>> does this make sense to you?
>> >> 
>> Gorry
>> 
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject:     Some precisions about CRC32 description
>> Date:     Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:21:51 +0100
>> From:     Alain RITOUX <alain.ritoux@6wind.com>
>> Reply-To:     ip-dvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk
>> To:     IPDVB <ip-dvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> The text in draft is :
>> 
>> In the CRC32 description, it should be added that the checksum to be
>> computed is the forward CRC-32 (as opposed to the reverse way, as I
>> learnt recently). So I would propose a sloght modification to the CRC
>> descritption in 4.6 :
>> 
>> "Each SNDU MUST carry a 32-bit CRC field in the last four bytes of
>> the SNDU. This position eases CRC computation by hardware.  The forward
>>                                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> CRC-32 polynomial is to be used. This is a 32 bit value calculated
>> according to the generator polynomial represented 0x04C11DB7 in
>> hexadecimal:
>> x^32+x^26+x^23+x^22+x^16+x^12+x^11+x^10+x^8+x^7+x^5+x^4+x^2+x^1+x^0. "
>> 
>> 
>> More over, there are reference to Ethernet, MPE, and AAL5,
>> "Examples where this polynomial is also employed include Ethernet,
>> DSM-CC section syntax [ISO-DSMCC} and AAL5 [ITU3563]. The use
>> resembles, but is different to that in SCTP [RFC3309]."
>> 
>> can anyone confirm, those are exactly the same computation
>> (IV=0xffffffff, forward computation, no final XOR) ? if not, the
>> reference should be removed for it might lead to errors.
>> 
>> An exemple wouldn't hurt, so here is what I computed, for a small ping6
>> from 2001:660:3008:1789::5 to 2001:660:3008:1789::6, with the associated
>> DVB MAC addr being 01:02:03:04:05:06. It gives the following SNDU :
>> 
>> 0000:  00 3f 86 dd 01 02 03 04 05 06 60 00 00 00 00 0d  .?........`.....
>> 0010:  3a 40 20 01 06 60 30 08 17 89 00 00 00 00 00 00  :@ ..`0.........
>> 0020:  00 05 20 01 06 60 30 08 17 89 00 00 00 00 00 00  .. ..`0.........
>> 0030:  00 06 80 00 9c 58 07 70 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 02  .....X.p........
>> 0040:  72 c9 c2                                         r..
>> 
>> 
>> Regards.
>> Alain.
>> --
>> Alain RITOUX
>> Tel +33-1-39-30-92-32
>> Fax +33-1-39-30-92-11
>> visit our web http://www.6wind.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 


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IP over DVB (ipdvb)
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 Current Status: Proposed Working Group

 Chair(s):
 Gorry Fairhurst (gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk)

 Responsible Area Director:
 Margaret Wasserman <margaret@thingmagic.com>

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 The WG will develop new protocols and architectures to enable better 
 deployment of IP over MPEG-2 transport and provide easier interworking with
IP  networks. Specific properties of this subnetwork technology include
link-layer 
 support for unicast and multicast, large numbers of down-stream receivers, 
 and efficiency of transmission.

 These properties resemble those in some other wireless networks. The 
 specific focus of the group is on the use of MPEG-2 transport (examples 
 include the Digital Video Broadcast (DVB) standards: DVB-RCS; DVB-S and
DVB-T 
 and related ATSC Specifications) in next generation networks and is not 
 concerned with the development, replacement, or retention of existing
protocols  on the existing generation of networks.

 The WG will endeavour to reuse existing open standard technologies, giving 
 guidance on usage in IP networks, whenever they are able to fulfill 
 requirements. For instance, we acknowledge the existing Multiprotocol 
 Encapsulation (MPE) [ATSC A/90;ETSI EN 301192] and that this will continue 
 to be deployed in the future to develop new markets. Any alternative 
 encapsulation would need to co-exist with MPE.

 Appropriate standards will be defined to support transmission of IPv4 and
IPv6  datagrams between IP networks connected using MPEG-2 transport
subnetworks. 
 This includes options for encapsulation, dynamic unicast address resolution
for  IPv4/IPv6, and the mechanisms needed to map routed IP multicast traffic
to the 
 MPEG-2 transport subnetwork. The standards will be appropriate to both MPE
and 
 any alternative encapsulation method developed. The developed protocols may

 also be applicable to other multicast enabled subnetwork technologies 
 supporting large numbers of directly connected systems.

 The current list of work items is:

 Specify the requirements and architecture for supporting IPv4/IPv6 via
MPEG-2  transmission networks. Such requirements should consider the range
of 
 platforms currently (or anticipated to be) in use. This draft will be an 
 Informational RFC.

 Define a standards-track RFC defining an efficient encapsulation method.
The  design will consider the need for MAC addresses, the potential need for
synchronisation between streams, support for a wide range of IPv4/IPv6 and
multicast traffic.

 Provide an Informational RFC describing a framework for unicast and
multicast  address resolution over MPEG-2 transmission networks. The
document will 
 describe options for the address resolution process, relating these to 
 appropriate usage scenarios and suggesting appropriate protocol mechanisms 
 for both the existing Multi-Protocol Encapsulation (MPE) and the efficient 
 encapsulation (2). Consideration will be paid to existing standards, and
the 
 cases for IPv6 and IPv4 will be described. 
 
 Define standards-track RFC(s) to specify procedures for dynamic address 
 resolution for IPv4/IPv6. This will describe the protocol and syntax of the

 information exchanged to bind unicast and multicast flows to the MPEG-2 TS 
 Logical Channels.  This will include specific optimisations appropriate for

 networks reaching large numbers of down-stream systems.

 Goals and Milestones:

 JAN 04 Draft of a WG Architecture ID describing usage of MPEG-2
                       transport for IP transmission.
 MAR 04 Draft of a WG ID on the new Encapsulation.
 JUL 04 Draft of a WG ID on the AR Framework, specifying mechanisms
                       to perform address resolution.
 JUL 04 Submit Architecture to IESG
 OCT 04 Draft of a WG ID or the AR Protocol, defining a protocol to
                       perform IP address resolution.
 OCT 04 Submit Encapsulation to IESG
 APR 05 Submit AR Framework to IESG
 AUG 05 Submit AR Protocol to IESG
 AUG 05 Progress the Encapsulation RFC along the IETF standards track.




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link-layer 
 support for unicast and multicast, large numbers of down-stream receivers, 
 and efficiency of transmission.

 These properties resemble those in some other wireless networks. The 
 specific focus of the group is on the use of MPEG-2 transport (examples 
 include the Digital Video Broadcast (DVB) standards: DVB-RCS; DVB-S and
DVB-T 
 and related ATSC Specifications) in next generation networks and is not 
 concerned with the development, replacement, or retention of existing
protocols  on the existing generation of networks.

 The WG will endeavour to reuse existing open standard technologies, giving 
 guidance on usage in IP networks, whenever they are able to fulfill 
 requirements. For instance, we acknowledge the existing Multiprotocol 
 Encapsulation (MPE) [ATSC A/90;ETSI EN 301192] and that this will continue 
 to be deployed in the future to develop new markets. Any alternative 
 encapsulation would need to co-exist with MPE.

 Appropriate standards will be defined to support transmission of IPv4 and
IPv6  datagrams between IP networks connected using MPEG-2 transport
subnetworks. 
 This includes options for encapsulation, dynamic unicast address resolution
for  IPv4/IPv6, and the mechanisms needed to map routed IP multicast traffic
to the 
 MPEG-2 transport subnetwork. The standards will be appropriate to both MPE
and 
 any alternative encapsulation method developed. The developed protocols may

 also be applicable to other multicast enabled subnetwork technologies 
 supporting large numbers of directly connected systems.

 The current list of work items is:

 Specify the requirements and architecture for supporting IPv4/IPv6 via
MPEG-2  transmission networks. Such requirements should consider the range
of 
 platforms currently (or anticipated to be) in use. This draft will be an 
 Informational RFC.

 Define a standards-track RFC defining an efficient encapsulation method.
The  design will consider the need for MAC addresses, the potential need for
synchronisation between streams, support for a wide range of IPv4/IPv6 and
multicast traffic.

 Provide an Informational RFC describing a framework for unicast and
multicast  address resolution over MPEG-2 transmission networks. The
document will 
 describe options for the address resolution process, relating these to 
 appropriate usage scenarios and suggesting appropriate protocol mechanisms 
 for both the existing Multi-Protocol Encapsulation (MPE) and the efficient 
 encapsulation (2). Consideration will be paid to existing standards, and
the 
 cases for IPv6 and IPv4 will be described. 
 
 Define standards-track RFC(s) to specify procedures for dynamic address 
 resolution for IPv4/IPv6. This will describe the protocol and syntax of the

 information exchanged to bind unicast and multicast flows to the MPEG-2 TS 
 Logical Channels.  This will include specific optimisations appropriate for

 networks reaching large numbers of down-stream systems.

 Goals and Milestones:

 JAN 04 Draft of a WG Architecture ID describing usage of MPEG-2
                       transport for IP transmission.
 MAR 04 Draft of a WG ID on the new Encapsulation.
 JUL 04 Draft of a WG ID on the AR Framework, specifying mechanisms
                       to perform address resolution.
 JUL 04 Submit Architecture to IESG
 OCT 04 Draft of a WG ID or the AR Protocol, defining a protocol to
                       perform IP address resolution.
 OCT 04 Submit Encapsulation to IESG
 APR 05 Submit AR Framework to IESG
 AUG 05 Submit AR Protocol to IESG
 AUG 05 Progress the Encapsulation RFC along the IETF standards track.



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IP over DVB (ipdvb)
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 Current Status: Proposed Working Group

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 Gorry Fairhurst (gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk)

 Responsible Area Director:
 Margaret Wasserman <margaret@thingmagic.com>

 Mailing Lists:
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 The WG will develop new protocols and architectures to enable better 
 deployment of IP over MPEG-2 transport and provide easier interworking with
IP  networks. Specific properties of this subnetwork technology include
link-layer 
 support for unicast and multicast, large numbers of down-stream receivers, 
 and efficiency of transmission.

 These properties resemble those in some other wireless networks. The 
 specific focus of the group is on the use of MPEG-2 transport (examples 
 include the Digital Video Broadcast (DVB) standards: DVB-RCS; DVB-S and
DVB-T 
 and related ATSC Specifications) in next generation networks and is not 
 concerned with the development, replacement, or retention of existing
protocols  on the existing generation of networks.

 The WG will endeavour to reuse existing open standard technologies, giving 
 guidance on usage in IP networks, whenever they are able to fulfill 
 requirements. For instance, we acknowledge the existing Multiprotocol 
 Encapsulation (MPE) [ATSC A/90;ETSI EN 301192] and that this will continue 
 to be deployed in the future to develop new markets. Any alternative 
 encapsulation would need to co-exist with MPE.

 Appropriate standards will be defined to support transmission of IPv4 and
IPv6  datagrams between IP networks connected using MPEG-2 transport
subnetworks. 
 This includes options for encapsulation, dynamic unicast address resolution
for  IPv4/IPv6, and the mechanisms needed to map routed IP multicast traffic
to the 
 MPEG-2 transport subnetwork. The standards will be appropriate to both MPE
and 
 any alternative encapsulation method developed. The developed protocols may

 also be applicable to other multicast enabled subnetwork technologies 
 supporting large numbers of directly connected systems.

 The current list of work items is:

 Specify the requirements and architecture for supporting IPv4/IPv6 via
MPEG-2  transmission networks. Such requirements should consider the range
of 
 platforms currently (or anticipated to be) in use. This draft will be an 
 Informational RFC.

 Define a standards-track RFC defining an efficient encapsulation method.
The  design will consider the need for MAC addresses, the potential need for
synchronisation between streams, support for a wide range of IPv4/IPv6 and
multicast traffic.

 Provide an Informational RFC describing a framework for unicast and
multicast  address resolution over MPEG-2 transmission networks. The
document will 
 describe options for the address resolution process, relating these to 
 appropriate usage scenarios and suggesting appropriate protocol mechanisms 
 for both the existing Multi-Protocol Encapsulation (MPE) and the efficient 
 encapsulation (2). Consideration will be paid to existing standards, and
the 
 cases for IPv6 and IPv4 will be described. 
 
 Define standards-track RFC(s) to specify procedures for dynamic address 
 resolution for IPv4/IPv6. This will describe the protocol and syntax of the

 information exchanged to bind unicast and multicast flows to the MPEG-2 TS 
 Logical Channels.  This will include specific optimisations appropriate for

 networks reaching large numbers of down-stream systems.

 Goals and Milestones:

 JAN 04 Draft of a WG Architecture ID describing usage of MPEG-2
                       transport for IP transmission.
 MAR 04 Draft of a WG ID on the new Encapsulation.
 JUL 04 Draft of a WG ID on the AR Framework, specifying mechanisms
                       to perform address resolution.
 JUL 04 Submit Architecture to IESG
 OCT 04 Draft of a WG ID or the AR Protocol, defining a protocol to
                       perform IP address resolution.
 OCT 04 Submit Encapsulation to IESG
 APR 05 Submit AR Framework to IESG
 AUG 05 Submit AR Protocol to IESG
 AUG 05 Progress the Encapsulation RFC along the IETF standards track.



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This concerns §4.7.5 : bridged frame SNDU encapsulation ( fiugres 8 and 9)
:
The type field value in the figures is set to 0x0001. This indicates that
the payload is an ethernet frame with preserved FCS
This leads to a redundant CRC : that of the Ethernet frame and that of the
SNDU

In Eth/AAL5, it is useual to remove the FCS field from the Eth frame before
encapsulating it in AAL5 PDU since AAL5 makes its own checksum
This may also be a good thing for ULE.

The coding for the type field when the FCS is not preserved is 0x0007
(instead of 0x0001)

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