From nobody Sat Jan 7 07:35:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F6E129529 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2017 07:35:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.856 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.856 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WEKe-qmmUEIL for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2017 07:35:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A736C12941D for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2017 07:35:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.178.20] ([93.217.111.75]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MFxwA-1cEOI12qUo-00EtdS for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 16:35:23 +0100 To: "json@ietf.org" From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <7f687476-a694-0f7d-2e2f-84d23a9ea430@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 16:35:24 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:/aREAByCbaV/5XTQuLJCpW5sPkejYgL62ATc2ggokmJAtWZcfkn XyY1SGArizFsTfFeH05UuJqLYFtaBukxoU8PN6fzzknXhiv5mxTRn5DVFX+KcTWX/FrWkef 1iTM8z46nVYjwsb3xds5eOk7Cisp90Ya87ofbWFcqEeuaPc4BOGdgzUhSXkBcMqWVCcj33d ljDQeRTq5Cyx7dNJO506w== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:bHkIV2b5Z28=:sufOCUo/83KGkaqx4STGWI 5UjAw7KxEaQqHP1kT79aTNKKAdX2J8Hp1aNHArDweFpZLOMiEdPTtZrNi8FCWU1sjsrJA6Jdr yA1paiMEx8wkSdUGtyi00QnIyRLTanVA33BcDMfiFbIddGvCIPLSmJ3XLZaBl9IiB9I0PnD3h FCR3EsV1sYSQWDHlmHwoxkTMCRFMh3+5g+tGFa8UTx3zMMmQTuA/i1dHbx8rO9COGx+yOz8uR 1sbjxoEhEG6KcmBLVuhvA/Ilx0Y3Kx9hIn9JF/KceTgEnOuBzUmEj+TxkwZhnU0DbclCdkWfD SVWpYC7gy0r8GecPmqsZK+VVOPTOgtQ+sc5T1J9YabFEX1BviPEHuFn2SjY/gDJ67p1ucuchT H74xU1K9k4Pj310PvNhEmyzio/VhuIh4hpB0tEBcql5KV8w0qq3y1kTOJsizza472K9OiUXC5 3hFiZNiDdNa5zbO+ykf+ZLjKrW4x4mQeM8JOBkzKpg29Ahy0O2NfPegYtTImFa+BOCLt05tIr N7j2CkhX4SXsTY0n6zQTSDABcQ39DAHMqIvIsjLttxZZauHeb0fBZ5U2I1hWKiwMmT5/ehICR FA+V72IV521nPfAfkGdKocXgRRdF6I36uIslHVaxgqCXl/0LVSaaV/G3qQapP5dNSxdfTpJWy OX7r6ImoN0RNNEht0bP5KxLJQVspnmR33NY29x+4Y3v0QprthYgsi0YIvZm1wVYxz08ztvhbR gwedDyTrK2m57y6Yj3y0xRpvnlYtx3s2e3ye+lF4bdpGR4ntVp1ZWSpdxjdrxTtVPtTihlAcm +BYgEQKBhPdguF7DP9wkfX2F7Hxymq4gJhvHHL7BVQ0lKgBQWoNPlmJxvA2vziy5xZzpazHEf IABFTp+P7GdovsRNbg1KwDhpT7wk/bvtbqdgEHfJnB2QMqP3ExGjVom8gh5vXZXDkRfteoS/s QgpdIph1slEOPahGhfGyLW9XYh3ZgGWZwdzrYEQkzi7E6I7JEHv4ZcT8YNGaT5kgQu2tzm7/8 jdLlDPJoUoMun8sLtHTllJw= Archived-At: Subject: [Json] Status of 7159bis X-BeenThere: json@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "JavaScript Object Notation \(JSON\) WG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2017 15:35:31 -0000 Hi there, I just noticed that the document went to state "Publication Requested" early December, with no notification of the working group, and (IMHO) some of the few feedback that the document received during WG LC being ignored (such as and ). What's going on here? Best regards, Julian From nobody Sat Jan 7 08:50:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A70AE129581 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2017 08:50:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[none] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9ev5ph8S-cIU for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2017 08:50:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.proper.com (Opus1.Proper.COM [207.182.41.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88DE8129580 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2017 08:50:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.20.30.101] (50-1-51-163.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.51.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.proper.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id v07GnsWp063827 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 7 Jan 2017 09:49:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.proper.com: Host 50-1-51-163.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.51.163] claimed to be [10.20.30.101] From: "Paul Hoffman" To: "Julian Reschke" Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2017 08:50:47 -0800 Message-ID: <31BC7F44-3C45-45EE-8F6D-B0016C7FFF97@vpnc.org> In-Reply-To: <7f687476-a694-0f7d-2e2f-84d23a9ea430@gmx.de> References: <7f687476-a694-0f7d-2e2f-84d23a9ea430@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.6r5319) Archived-At: Cc: "json@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Json] Status of 7159bis X-BeenThere: json@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "JavaScript Object Notation \(JSON\) WG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2017 16:50:50 -0000 On 7 Jan 2017, at 7:35, Julian Reschke wrote: > I just noticed that the document went to state "Publication Requested" > early December, with no notification of the working group Julian is correct here, and that's a bit disturbing. > , and (IMHO) some of the few feedback that the document received > during WG LC being ignored (such as > and > ). > > What's going on here? I cannot tell. I'm one of the mailing list moderators, and I didn't see any message to the list or in the moderator queue. This seems like a problem with the IETF tooling. --Paul Hoffman From nobody Sun Jan 8 00:35:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6251293DA for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2017 00:35:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.72 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.72 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=fastmail.fm header.b=GricYu7H; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=lE7RJSfj Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jM_YYx2dT_wy for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2017 00:35:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C214F1293F0 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2017 00:35:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F6A20C24; Sun, 8 Jan 2017 03:35:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 08 Jan 2017 03:35:29 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.fm; h=cc :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=WwL9KV1JJesWf4i szIrb++xehjk=; b=GricYu7HlgYZHUgrMlCdlgJl+8vtH3byCzJvCRUaZXiqFZp I5/aOhaVvjSS5NAqt3VHLj02ayLXGJ/1nQ1w85MN0yPL77sRQHpzlbazw1Gazo2w ilegAuyibx4gZEIZH3NXM3V8Yx59natkIuHpOo1V/ka9K9HT/n6LhBuX92RQ= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s= smtpout; bh=WwL9KV1JJesWf4iszIrb++xehjk=; b=lE7RJSfj3lpc/qNw6eQT BKjVoWiJjavmxpc1XG/g8o20mEioeCbVA65StApyBcqymR4aIPAqxH3e8onlHf+O 3rJ9tV4p04zcrRwjdOcUhGO4pufmK3BbhfkuGUoJzMnMugx06Z6xfgUsCFxcJkET P83qEnK2C+gR9juR6xGANHA= X-ME-Sender: X-Sasl-enc: biyT9U9sOzvkE23BCoOjxdfuEHArxJH8ikjqwzuui9Qw 1483864529 Received: from [10.217.129.174] (unknown [185.69.144.172]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9116A7E970; Sun, 8 Jan 2017 03:35:29 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Alexey Melnikov X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13G35) In-Reply-To: <7f687476-a694-0f7d-2e2f-84d23a9ea430@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 08:44:37 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <78D16356-4962-445D-A513-44E432F6C87F@fastmail.fm> References: <7f687476-a694-0f7d-2e2f-84d23a9ea430@gmx.de> To: Julian Reschke Archived-At: Cc: "json@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Json] Status of 7159bis X-BeenThere: json@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "JavaScript Object Notation \(JSON\) WG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2017 08:35:32 -0000 Hi Julian, > On 7 Jan 2017, at 15:35, Julian Reschke wrote: >=20 > Hi there, >=20 > I just noticed that the document went to state "Publication Requested" ear= ly December, with no notification of the working group, and (IMHO) some of t= he few feedback that the document received during WG LC being ignored (such a= s and ). >=20 > What's going on here? I moved it to the Publication Requested state in datatracker in order to get= the document done and get the WG closed. Negotiations with the WG chair and= document editor are ongoing. WGLC comments will be handled (or at least rep= lied to). Best Regards, Alexey From nobody Sun Jan 8 11:48:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839341295AD for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2017 11:48:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x0_NkFL4ZwJQ for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2017 11:48:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qk0-x22e.google.com (mail-qk0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BA45127071 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2017 11:48:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qk0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id a20so123445074qkc.1 for ; Sun, 08 Jan 2017 11:48:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=03sm3WFZJVIMKYBwqz+yc8GTGkNVa7D/DY/bRiyiA9o=; b=b+wkrnnD3VKHZ65z2tQsFVVKs1VhpCocCShl9/EhvwbtvSoxF5SE9tIatM9ukaFakf d7ZNeCt4kuAoTZVoToY2ICioEcu7Bcbzkptpfif8P03H1M4AkWVS+uFr6MyYS8Rz3ypo U+YejUXWt4YdV+OziTMi7W2lEzx7Q7s0Awer4GoaqcS9sEgEEdFA/GcQ9S0gna9263/O hMh8Ti0VmV8u419fXAAqeek2FW+VrdtZWUM3pgRWaGdx/f717dLWX5dcY7AQYxatwHEI GbwRDlA4vmP9czQvLqjeE/zRD+PwRgt5bcwI7agE+ZMOkexPr8tdPIsn3T5Fa8QXjdAw TDvg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=03sm3WFZJVIMKYBwqz+yc8GTGkNVa7D/DY/bRiyiA9o=; b=uGo/SooJbZHTdjce+YmhlHw54VQS/5uynm1wOdkh6EP9Ojj66kiDuZONib0P31m+pA f5bmdPU1UApZjK8Ule7PeFw4s52ypauQp8rc6btL2jR9Y05VL2Q6IQD7Lj0+EJgelDbr GDhleUS1cO90wfFMNJvMFjjkcH+XrE93jnPZ2y0bimXSpa8vQYF9USbjifVfIbMqUV/r eRRUf36Lc5Q47s/AIqdBVwMwJ3zkujM+BvFLQ3YHUFMgza3OwVlpkyP08T9VMs6SuxqH gscBv8oNJxQvHl3AdiqMJbfNW+zepPcSGRbsozgo7J7xczoKPM2k6LMotpThy9poAftB apDA== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXKJc7TmCkTM3JsJx63VLwlNCx9KRayrGap55roHU/dwSwSJjippzwZoP4r1dpxioQ== X-Received: by 10.55.9.15 with SMTP id 15mr83703184qkj.118.1483904890216; Sun, 08 Jan 2017 11:48:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from idefix.nuance.com ([199.4.160.12]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 16sm55685192qtn.33.2017.01.08.11.48.07 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 08 Jan 2017 11:48:08 -0800 (PST) To: Alexey Melnikov , Julian Reschke References: <7f687476-a694-0f7d-2e2f-84d23a9ea430@gmx.de> <78D16356-4962-445D-A513-44E432F6C87F@fastmail.fm> From: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 11:48:05 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <78D16356-4962-445D-A513-44E432F6C87F@fastmail.fm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "json@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Json] Status of 7159bis X-BeenThere: json@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "JavaScript Object Notation \(JSON\) WG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2017 19:48:12 -0000 On 01/08/2017 12:44 AM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > Hi Julian, > >> On 7 Jan 2017, at 15:35, Julian Reschke wrote: >> >> Hi there, >> >> I just noticed that the document went to state "Publication Requested" early December, with no notification of the working group, and (IMHO) some of the few feedback that the document received during WG LC being ignored (such as and ). >> >> What's going on here? > > I moved it to the Publication Requested state in datatracker in order to get the document done and get the WG closed. Negotiations with the WG chair and document editor are ongoing. WGLC comments will be handled (or at least replied to). > > Best Regards, > Alexey > Progress on this document was waiting for progress on ECMA 404. I don't see that anything has happened with ECMA 404, so this document can't progress. peter From nobody Mon Jan 9 01:50:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1FB128874 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 01:50:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.72 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.72 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=fastmail.fm header.b=WXperLIM; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=WvvdYQRv Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v-6HjyEtj1AN for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 01:50:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8714128BA2 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 01:50:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DFEA21E1D; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 04:50:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 09 Jan 2017 04:50:22 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.fm; h=cc :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=7YWeAjez9AiKWNe ePlYG6Neln0E=; b=WXperLIM3oCkS48rR7bIFwdztUVMaU++lZgEktcJ+jyCBSw kwGjs9fCHc/uPtkzg7MfOIuunNLf89vubx2GRIzCntOhOJCWhWSTSyrmaWBu6RUD jO7S1bJlMc+DouXVYrtM6UPuzb+rTyUkkWs+7DjFwfvIzwYyCl/OvYAf40aM= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s= smtpout; bh=7YWeAjez9AiKWNeePlYG6Neln0E=; b=WvvdYQRvLxPzMroTwzbR 9OOQtRILxL57nfd5+/jQGX8KW2bTO8NHUMByjSd6L4oOyi5cGQhV6tYXHCegNMeA zrZXFa6QfL8cOynGPMzV/E6fZCDC+FBIvuD+zxdNOXqFWvVONUrShfXrPh2UOMAl UrGOOfWyWMIaEgJU8ACvDeE= X-ME-Sender: X-Sasl-enc: iolodgCkhyv3M0Co2qbuXApwGNw3r6wKeG6j26W7wDgF 1483955422 Received: from [10.215.66.91] (unknown [85.255.234.185]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0B87E7E2E2; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 04:50:22 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Alexey Melnikov X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13G35) In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 09:59:33 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6BC16581-9781-4704-B763-401EF9C2142C@fastmail.fm> References: <7f687476-a694-0f7d-2e2f-84d23a9ea430@gmx.de> <78D16356-4962-445D-A513-44E432F6C87F@fastmail.fm> To: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" Archived-At: Cc: Julian Reschke , "json@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Json] Status of 7159bis X-BeenThere: json@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "JavaScript Object Notation \(JSON\) WG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 09:50:25 -0000 > On 8 Jan 2017, at 19:48, Peter F. Patel-Schneider = wrote: >=20 >> On 01/08/2017 12:44 AM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >> Hi Julian, >>=20 >>> On 7 Jan 2017, at 15:35, Julian Reschke wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi there, >>>=20 >>> I just noticed that the document went to state "Publication Requested" e= arly December, with no notification of the working group, and (IMHO) some of= the few feedback that the document received during WG LC being ignored (suc= h as and <= https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/json/current/msg03978.html>). >>>=20 >>> What's going on here? >>=20 >> I moved it to the Publication Requested state in datatracker in order to g= et the document done and get the WG closed. Negotiations with the WG chair a= nd document editor are ongoing. WGLC comments will be handled (or at least r= eplied to). >>=20 >> Best Regards, >> Alexey >=20 > Progress on this document was waiting for progress on ECMA 404. I don't s= ee > that anything has happened with ECMA 404, so this document can't progress.= It is quite the opposite: If the document doesn't progress, ECMA is not goin= g to do anything. From nobody Mon Jan 9 02:03:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B63129B3A for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 02:03:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.357 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.357 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CHBmZMB4Ua3T for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 02:03:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 535551293DA for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 02:03:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.123] ([5.10.171.186]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MPIvU-1cM6ww3y0u-004PK6; Mon, 09 Jan 2017 11:03:43 +0100 To: Alexey Melnikov , "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" References: <7f687476-a694-0f7d-2e2f-84d23a9ea430@gmx.de> <78D16356-4962-445D-A513-44E432F6C87F@fastmail.fm> <6BC16581-9781-4704-B763-401EF9C2142C@fastmail.fm> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <088cc29b-4775-3517-6699-e603872dad5e@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 11:03:43 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6BC16581-9781-4704-B763-401EF9C2142C@fastmail.fm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:/nmsKAcimgRwlR+fzeAF9vv37ciAGAspxmItDukrf5L1my0jVz6 djbGDJwWmi0lPVetlToLRQds5ue75uEZrWTlfwWpwnnxWttdW8NrPD5PWnY9BC1QEWNv1lP MxIcp7Y3wWdbKU5z3G7If8NLPsJiCHtX3i6DRhNEx/nC9JFWZDBUa2PU5fItVVumJxCH/RQ g5HbWCG8mUyBcB6kKUbRQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:w3HdP6TmtWQ=:MMtwJAB36RHqsSP7navpm8 jkY7wZk85EEetw0zARZ25YMwaT1drh7xvaojxVzvT2mrNqExFGVURW/dRkGPO1WKjGtZZAFyu SeVcEpuxKRNOeJ9qC24aEG3yiyHMp/lCXHpDRdiaeEvcIkaSeVbB1TcmwsQirIPGQeew8uwsE qq0uvGsgHxT2VvMFVxVs6DCvaHCCe4GPuPJjA13kwW/TpIJMO1tc4bOoG4andspKH0PSpRXt7 k12Wr+CIWJnMxS49j5QXt4ybExICHBsf0thrSrTQSZSivGU1PEAG571NDnCpR5cQPbh0PFFcV 5M8/Xy5XKtuKfWaRYIEibkETYAjyv59k9iBWM1NwoC0NAXUPetE65IfTEBOdz71vVXmO3fc1k i7ZuQyIMlDMomCTDrZR8QUMJPUfN9oz7y/x1znET/diSgur5aoozx5wPDX41v6NCZnNV+mSNw Qbo2MJEHzY2YivdfoCUo2JsJkCByuudBM/D577Ae0TThkbIyPzj78/ynyxdQGfqxI1+TTi4CX vMio3cefO3km0LtAWeRpr98I3hADE4ZjhIWH0WEtevm2Fx+GhBejEkqxl5x4mu5Fxv5wG0ttm tDLKk/p3XHcuXKSuA0ccPz/UDrPX1uNo2gYdmb4xpq4IcjQcKyGegOzlJbDJC+dT3I82Dgfeo o+sHWiO9Zp3C6Y+VkbKAS+Dx/sP8IQePEVJGzQxTLc9uyUwl5yZKjprg+TyWGEl+njI32lN9j rDXLm/iea4aofplZjQ2tLwI5uIe9F3qibhX43Bk0KC+5U6EwgMrolIepcbIiU6MQ3F6YiPid9 hT+eaUcuIq5qZCTced0N8ObdvpV6teq/zruk10pZAbcQNxeZWsNx/3gw777C8iEDyPj1lCYn0 930OJtG7M9Ky+YQSh+W5s/sDF98fZRM5BR0pnCvYVyrXpeqcnS5F9hODA4wm6zMs6lazxDSsv x0boAgaPOk+C37mW6d2RHJzxuGZjWvjF8j/K8wAvNxm0IIXnr4HuKQdh1o8v+fewGF1qEufwn 9bxYiPbkXhkroxwfImRPr+A= Archived-At: Cc: "json@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Json] Status of 7159bis X-BeenThere: json@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "JavaScript Object Notation \(JSON\) WG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 10:03:53 -0000 On 2017-01-09 10:59, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > ... >> Progress on this document was waiting for progress on ECMA 404. I don't see >> that anything has happened with ECMA 404, so this document can't progress. > > It is quite the opposite: If the document doesn't progress, ECMA is not going to do anything. Is there a way for the WG to track what's going on? Any public communication? 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[95.176.25.124]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id a13sm18052311wma.18.2017.01.09.02.06.17 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 09 Jan 2017 02:06:18 -0800 (PST) To: Alexey Melnikov , "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" References: <7f687476-a694-0f7d-2e2f-84d23a9ea430@gmx.de> <78D16356-4962-445D-A513-44E432F6C87F@fastmail.fm> <6BC16581-9781-4704-B763-401EF9C2142C@fastmail.fm> From: Anders Rundgren Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 11:06:16 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6BC16581-9781-4704-B763-401EF9C2142C@fastmail.fm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: Julian Reschke , "json@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Json] Status of 7159bis X-BeenThere: json@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "JavaScript Object Notation \(JSON\) WG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 10:06:23 -0000 On 2017-01-09 10:59, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > >> On 8 Jan 2017, at 19:48, Peter F. Patel-Schneider wrote: >> >>> On 01/08/2017 12:44 AM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >>> Hi Julian, >>> >>>> On 7 Jan 2017, at 15:35, Julian Reschke wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi there, >>>> >>>> I just noticed that the document went to state "Publication Requested" early December, with no notification of the working group, and (IMHO) some of the few feedback that the document received during WG LC being ignored (such as and ). >>>> >>>> What's going on here? >>> >>> I moved it to the Publication Requested state in datatracker in order to get the document done and get the WG closed. Negotiations with the WG chair and document editor are ongoing. WGLC comments will be handled (or at least replied to). >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> Alexey >> >> Progress on this document was waiting for progress on ECMA 404. I don't see >> that anything has happened with ECMA 404, so this document can't progress. > > It is quite the opposite: If the document doesn't progress, ECMA is not going to do anything. Which highlights the impossibility having two normative standards for the same thing. Dropping the references to ECMA is the only sensible way forward. Anders > > > _______________________________________________ > json mailing list > json@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/json > From nobody Mon Jan 9 03:03:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3089129BDE for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 03:03:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=dilettant.eu Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oVI72hg92_N3 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 03:03:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailrelay4.public.one.com (mailrelay4.public.one.com [195.47.247.71]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2AD49128874 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 03:03:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dilettant.eu; s=20140924; h=from:subject:date:message-id:to:cc:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:references; bh=MW8cYcXec2Gr2q+FRgSdqzAGCSUyjLptf8/W/Pv+R/E=; b=qkQ2gJJnlIsGaWqerg3HfrGC3Ir5GjZzqcYSSnLsa7WGc6mVy3W96EoLeD5wxoqgNIK20za18CuEl 5QJfuQhCTIRI8ik8qv33HoNC2lG1Sb+7PI/JPBQj1BaV5UR9YqoOHLoNrNgI0YlHxXEdZ2nZubzpMJ vcfigmpc6pnctBCc= X-HalOne-Cookie: 185293392e30393c10e28ef7f816d2c6c9580195 X-HalOne-ID: 33c12fab-d65b-11e6-9cd7-b8ca3afa9d73 Received: from [10.228.218.29] (unknown [173.38.220.40]) by smtpfilter1.public.one.com (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 33c12fab-d65b-11e6-9cd7-b8ca3afa9d73; Mon, 09 Jan 2017 11:03:08 +0000 (UTC) To: Anders Rundgren , Alexey Melnikov , "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" References: <7f687476-a694-0f7d-2e2f-84d23a9ea430@gmx.de> <78D16356-4962-445D-A513-44E432F6C87F@fastmail.fm> <6BC16581-9781-4704-B763-401EF9C2142C@fastmail.fm> From: Stefan Hagen Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 12:03:07 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: Julian Reschke , "json@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Json] Status of 7159bis X-BeenThere: json@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "JavaScript Object Notation \(JSON\) WG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 11:03:15 -0000 On 09/01/17 11:06, Anders Rundgren wrote: > On 2017-01-09 10:59, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >> >>> On 8 Jan 2017, at 19:48, Peter F. Patel-Schneider >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 01/08/2017 12:44 AM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >>>> Hi Julian, >>>> >>>>> On 7 Jan 2017, at 15:35, Julian Reschke wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi there, >>>>> >>>>> I just noticed that the document went to state "Publication >>>>> Requested" early December, with no notification of the working >>>>> group, and (IMHO) some of the few feedback that the document >>>>> received during WG LC being ignored (such as >>>>> >>>>> and >>>>> ). >>>>> >>>>> What's going on here? >>>> >>>> I moved it to the Publication Requested state in datatracker in >>>> order to get the document done and get the WG closed. Negotiations >>>> with the WG chair and document editor are ongoing. WGLC comments >>>> will be handled (or at least replied to). >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> Alexey >>> >>> Progress on this document was waiting for progress on ECMA 404. I >>> don't see >>> that anything has happened with ECMA 404, so this document can't >>> progress. >> >> It is quite the opposite: If the document doesn't progress, ECMA is >> not going to do anything. > > Which highlights the impossibility having two normative standards for > the same thing. > Dropping the references to ECMA is the only sensible way forward. respecting substantial back and forth to create the best possible specification is one thing, accepting merely formal shall I stay, or shall I go, I really don't know kind of discussions is another. So I am +0 with Anders here to avoid further erosion of human forces in the field - if I may bluntly put it that way in a language foreign to me. 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Patel-Schneider" , Alexey Melnikov Subject: Re: [Json] Status of 7159bis X-BeenThere: json@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "JavaScript Object Notation \(JSON\) WG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 11:46:47 -0000 --001a113c048ade28b60545a7eb99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =E2=80=8BECMA 404 not found? Well there's your problem.=E2=80=8B On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 5:06 AM, Anders Rundgren < anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com> wrote: > On 2017-01-09 10:59, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > >> >> On 8 Jan 2017, at 19:48, Peter F. Patel-Schneider >>> wrote: >>> >>> On 01/08/2017 12:44 AM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >>>> Hi Julian, >>>> >>>> On 7 Jan 2017, at 15:35, Julian Reschke wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi there, >>>>> >>>>> I just noticed that the document went to state "Publication Requested= " >>>>> early December, with no notification of the working group, and (IMHO)= some >>>>> of the few feedback that the document received during WG LC being ign= ored >>>>> (such as >>>> .html> and >>>> hive/web/json/current/msg03978.html>). >>>>> >>>>> What's going on here? >>>>> >>>> >>>> I moved it to the Publication Requested state in datatracker in order >>>> to get the document done and get the WG closed. Negotiations with the = WG >>>> chair and document editor are ongoing. WGLC comments will be handled (= or at >>>> least replied to). >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> Alexey >>>> >>> >>> Progress on this document was waiting for progress on ECMA 404. I don'= t >>> see >>> that anything has happened with ECMA 404, so this document can't >>> progress. >>> >> >> It is quite the opposite: If the document doesn't progress, ECMA is not >> going to do anything. >> > > Which highlights the impossibility having two normative standards for the > same thing. > Dropping the references to ECMA is the only sensible way forward. > > Anders > > > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> json mailing list >> json@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/json >> >> > _______________________________________________ > json mailing list > json@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/json > --001a113c048ade28b60545a7eb99 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=E2= =80=8BECMA 404 not found? Well there's your problem.=E2=80=8B

On Mon, Jan 9, = 2017 at 5:06 AM, Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.co= m> wrote:
= On 2017-01-09 10:59, Alexey Melnikov wrote:

On 8 Jan 2017, at 19:48, Peter F. Patel-Schneider <pfpschneider@gmail.com> wrote= :

On 01/08/2017 12:44 AM, Alexey Melnikov wrote:
Hi Julian,

On 7 Jan 2017, at 15:35, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:

Hi there,

I just noticed that the document went to state "Publication Requested&= quot; early December, with no notification of the working group, and (IMHO)= some of the few feedback that the document received during WG LC being ign= ored (such as <https://www.ietf.o= rg/mail-archive/web/json/current/msg03945.html> and <https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive= /web/json/current/msg03978.html>).

What's going on here?

I moved it to the Publication Requested state in datatracker in order to ge= t the document done and get the WG closed. Negotiations with the WG chair a= nd document editor are ongoing. WGLC comments will be handled (or at least = replied to).

Best Regards,
Alexey

Progress on this document was waiting for progress on ECMA 404.=C2=A0 I don= 't see
that anything has happened with ECMA 404, so this document can't progre= ss.

It is quite the opposite: If the document doesn't progress, ECMA is not= going to do anything.

 Which highlights the impossibility having two normative standards for the s= ame thing.
Dropping the references to ECMA is the only sensible way forward.

Anders




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= On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 5:06 AM, Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgr= en.net@gmail.com> wrote:

=
Which highlights the impo= ssibility having two normative standards for the same thing.

ISO 10646 and Unicode are two standards for the same thin= g, and are developed by completely separate standards bodies using quite di= stinct processes (though to be sure some of the people involved are the sam= e).=C2=A0 Yet they have stayed perfectly in sync in substance (not in verba= l form: the language of each standard is quite different) for 24 years of v= ery active development.=C2=A0

Getting two JSON sta= ndards into mutual conformity, given that JSON is quite static, should be t= rivial by comparison.=C2=A0 Nothing is lacking except systematic liaison an= d the firm will not to disagree.

--=C2=A0
John Cowan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cowan@ccil.= org
A rose by any other name may smell = as sweet, but if you called it
an onion you= 'd get cooks very confused. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--RMS
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Patel-Schneider" Message-ID: <9ed27357-8114-e59a-b094-0f05fda174f7@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 06:38:41 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: Julian Reschke , "json@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Json] Status of 7159bis X-BeenThere: json@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "JavaScript Object Notation \(JSON\) WG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 14:48:35 -0000 On 01/09/2017 02:06 AM, Anders Rundgren wrote: > On 2017-01-09 10:59, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >> >>> On 8 Jan 2017, at 19:48, Peter F. Patel-Schneider >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 01/08/2017 12:44 AM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >>>> Hi Julian, >>>> >>>>> On 7 Jan 2017, at 15:35, Julian Reschke wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi there, >>>>> >>>>> I just noticed that the document went to state "Publication Requested" >>>>> early December, with no notification of the working group, and (IMHO) >>>>> some of the few feedback that the document received during WG LC being >>>>> ignored (such as >>>>> and >>>>> ). >>>>> >>>>> What's going on here? >>>> >>>> I moved it to the Publication Requested state in datatracker in order to >>>> get the document done and get the WG closed. Negotiations with the WG >>>> chair and document editor are ongoing. WGLC comments will be handled (or >>>> at least replied to). >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> Alexey >>> >>> Progress on this document was waiting for progress on ECMA 404. I don't see >>> that anything has happened with ECMA 404, so this document can't progress. >> >> It is quite the opposite: If the document doesn't progress, ECMA is not >> going to do anything. > > Which highlights the impossibility having two normative standards for the same > thing. > Dropping the references to ECMA is the only sensible way forward. > > Anders If there is no reciprocal normative reference from some version of ECMA 404 with status at least equivalent to last call then I strongly agree. Drop the reference and go forward with the other fixes. The whole idea of having the normative reference to ECMA 404 was to emphasize that there is agreement from both sides that the two documents will always agree on what is JSON. 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Patel-Schneider" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114c8c629917b30545b8efd4 Archived-At: Cc: Julian Reschke , "json@ietf.org" , Alexey Melnikov , Anders Rundgren Subject: Re: [Json] Status of 7159bis X-BeenThere: json@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "JavaScript Object Notation \(JSON\) WG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:04:45 -0000 --001a114c8c629917b30545b8efd4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99m assuming that in the near future there will be a note from the = IESG to ietf@ mailing list advising us that they will be taking this matter up? On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Peter F. Patel-Schneider < pfpschneider@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 01/09/2017 02:06 AM, Anders Rundgren wrote: > > On 2017-01-09 10:59, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > >> > >>> On 8 Jan 2017, at 19:48, Peter F. Patel-Schneider < > pfpschneider@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On 01/08/2017 12:44 AM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > >>>> Hi Julian, > >>>> > >>>>> On 7 Jan 2017, at 15:35, Julian Reschke > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi there, > >>>>> > >>>>> I just noticed that the document went to state "Publication > Requested" > >>>>> early December, with no notification of the working group, and (IMH= O) > >>>>> some of the few feedback that the document received during WG LC > being > >>>>> ignored (such as > >>>>> > and > >>>>> )= . > >>>>> > >>>>> What's going on here? > >>>> > >>>> I moved it to the Publication Requested state in datatracker in orde= r > to > >>>> get the document done and get the WG closed. Negotiations with the W= G > >>>> chair and document editor are ongoing. WGLC comments will be handled > (or > >>>> at least replied to). > >>>> > >>>> Best Regards, > >>>> Alexey > >>> > >>> Progress on this document was waiting for progress on ECMA 404. I > don't see > >>> that anything has happened with ECMA 404, so this document can't > progress. > >> > >> It is quite the opposite: If the document doesn't progress, ECMA is no= t > >> going to do anything. > > > > Which highlights the impossibility having two normative standards for > the same > > thing. > > Dropping the references to ECMA is the only sensible way forward. > > > > Anders > > If there is no reciprocal normative reference from some version of ECMA 4= 04 > with status at least equivalent to last call then I strongly agree. Drop > the > reference and go forward with the other fixes. > > The whole idea of having the normative reference to ECMA 404 was to > emphasize > that there is agreement from both sides that the two documents will alway= s > agree on what is JSON. The current version of 7159bis states the IETF > side of > that agreement but there is nothing at all from the ECMA side. > > peter > > _______________________________________________ > json mailing list > json@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/json > --=20 - Tim Bray (If you=E2=80=99d like to send me a private message, see https://keybase.io/timbray) --001a114c8c629917b30545b8efd4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I= =E2=80=99m assuming that in the near future there will be a note from the I= ESG to ietf@ mailing list advising us that they will be taking this matter = up?

On= Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Peter F. Patel-Schneider &l= t;pfpschneider@= gmail.com> wrote:


On 01/09/2017 02:06 AM, Anders Rundgren wrote:
> On 2017-01-09 10:59, Alexey Melnikov wrote:
>>
>>> On 8 Jan 2017, at 19:48, Peter F. Patel-Schneider <pfpschneider@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 01/08/2017 12:44 AM, Alexey Melnikov wrote:
>>>> Hi Julian,
>>>>
>>>>> On 7 Jan 2017, at 15:35, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>
>>>>> I just noticed that the document went to state "P= ublication Requested"
>>>>> early December, with no notification of the working gr= oup, and (IMHO)
>>>>> some of the few feedback that the document received du= ring WG LC being
>>>>> ignored (such as
>>>>> <https://www= .ietf.org/mail-archive/web/json/current/msg03945.html> and=
>>>>> <https://www= .ietf.org/mail-archive/web/json/current/msg03978.html>). >>>>>
>>>>> What's going on here?
>>>>
>>>> I moved it to the Publication Requested state in datatrack= er in order to
>>>> get the document done and get the WG closed. Negotiations = with the WG
>>>> chair and document editor are ongoing. WGLC comments will = be handled (or
>>>> at least replied to).
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Alexey
>>>
>>> Progress on this document was waiting for progress on ECMA 404= .=C2=A0 I don't see
>>> that anything has happened with ECMA 404, so this document can= 't progress.
>>
>> It is quite the opposite: If the document doesn't progress, EC= MA is not
>> going to do anything.
>
> Which highlights the impossibility having two normative standards for = the same
> thing.
> Dropping the references to ECMA is the only sensible way forward.
>
> Anders

If there is no reciprocal normative reference from some version= of ECMA 404
with status at least equivalent to last call then I strongly agree.=C2=A0 D= rop the
reference and go forward with the other fixes.

The whole idea of having the normative reference to ECMA 404 was to emphasi= ze
that there is agreement from both sides that the two documents will always<= br> agree on what is JSON.=C2=A0 The current version of 7159bis states the IETF= side of
that agreement but there is nothing at all from the ECMA side.

peter

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My understanding is that the action will be taken around RFC publication time. So either the ECMA document going to have a similar note to what is in 7159bis, or the RFC will be published without the current note. So can we please get the document over this finish line? Thank you, Alexey >=20 > On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Peter F. Patel-Schneider > wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> On 01/09/2017 02:06 AM, Anders Rundgren wrote: >> > On 2017-01-09 10:59, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 8 Jan 2017, at 19:48, Peter F. Patel-Schneider >> >>> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> On 01/08/2017 12:44 AM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >> >>>> Hi Julian, >> >>>> >> >>>>> On 7 Jan 2017, at 15:35, Julian Reschke >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Hi there, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I just noticed that the document went to state "Publication >> >>>>> Requested" >> >>>>> early December, with no notification of the working group, and >> >>>>> (IMHO) >> >>>>> some of the few feedback that the document received during WG >> >>>>> LC being >> >>>>> ignored (such as >> >>>>> >> >>>>> and >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ). >> >>>>> >> >>>>> What's going on here? >> >>>> >> >>>> I moved it to the Publication Requested state in datatracker in >> >>>> order to >> >>>> get the document done and get the WG closed. Negotiations with >> >>>> the WG >> >>>> chair and document editor are ongoing. WGLC comments will be >> >>>> handled (or >> >>>> at least replied to). >> >>>> >> >>>> Best Regards, >> >>>> Alexey >> >>> >> >>> Progress on this document was waiting for progress on ECMA 404. >> >>> I don't see >> >>> that anything has happened with ECMA 404, so this document can't >> >>> progress. >> >> >> >> It is quite the opposite: If the document doesn't progress, ECMA >> >> is not >> >> going to do anything. >> > >> > Which highlights the impossibility having two normative standards >> > for the same >> > thing. >> > Dropping the references to ECMA is the only sensible way forward. >> > >> > Anders >>=20 >> If there is no reciprocal normative reference from some version of >> ECMA 404 >> with status at least equivalent to last call then I strongly agree. >> Drop the >> reference and go forward with the other fixes. >>=20 >> The whole idea of having the normative reference to ECMA 404 was to >> emphasize >> that there is agreement from both sides that the two documents will >> always >> agree on what is JSON. The current version of 7159bis states the >> IETF side of >> that agreement but there is nothing at all from the ECMA side. >>=20 >> peter >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> json mailing list >> json@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/json >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > - Tim Bray (If you=E2=80=99d like to send me a private message, see > https://keybase.io/timbray) --_----------=_148404061535498060 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Tim,

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017, at 08:04 AM, Tim Bray wrote:
= I=E2=80=99m assuming that in the near future there will be a note from the = IESG to ietf@ mailing list advising us that they will be taking this matter= up?
My understanding is that the action will be taken around = RFC publication time. So either the ECMA document going to have a similar n= ote to what is in 7159bis, or the RFC will be published without the current= note.

So can we please get the document over this finish line?

Thank you,
Alexey


On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Pe= ter F. Patel-Schneider <pfpschneider@gmail.com> wrote:


On 01/09/2017 02:06 AM, Anders Rundgren wrote:
> On 2017-01-09 10:59, Alexey Melnikov wrote:
>>
>>> On 8 Jan 2017, at 19:48, Peter F. Patel-Schneider <pfpschneider@gmail.com>
<= /div>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 01/08/2017 12:44 AM, Alexey Melnikov wrote:
>>>> Hi Julian,
>>>>
>>>>> On 7 Jan 2017, at 15:35, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>
>>>>> I just noticed that the document went to state "= Publication Requested"
>>>>> early December, with no notification of the work= ing group, and (IMHO)
>>>>> some of the few feedback that the document recei= ved during WG LC being
>>>>> ignored (such as
>>>>>
>>>>> What's going on here?
>>>>
>>>> I moved it to the Publication Requested state in dat= atracker in order to
>>>> get the document done and get the WG closed. Negotia= tions with the WG
>>>> chair and document editor are ongoing. WGLC comments= will be handled (or
>>>> at least replied to).
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Alexey
>>>
>>> Progress on this document was waiting for progress on EC= MA 404.  I don't see
>>> that anything has happened with ECMA 404, so this docume= nt can't progress.
>>
>> It is quite the opposite: If the document doesn't progress, = ECMA is not
>> going to do anything.
>
> Which highlights the impossibility having two normative standard= s for the same
> thing.
> Dropping the references to ECMA is the only sensible way forward= .
>
> Anders

If there is no reciprocal normative reference from some version of ECM= A 404
with status at least equivalent to last call then I strongly agree.&n= bsp; Drop the
reference and go forward with the other fixes.

The whole idea of having the normative reference to ECMA 404 was to e= mphasize
that there is agreement from both sides that the two documents will a= lways
agree on what is JSON.  The current version of 7159bis states th= e IETF side of
that agreement but there is nothing at all from the ECMA side.

= peter

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--_----------=_148404061535498060-- From nobody Tue Jan 10 08:23:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A881293FC for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:23:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3Z4oq6JbY8lJ for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:23:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.proper.com (Opus1.Proper.COM [207.182.41.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E63AC129D1B for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:23:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.20.5.125] (cbshost-24-249-149-4.sbcox.net [24.249.149.4] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.proper.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id v0AGMCo8026265 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 10 Jan 2017 09:22:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.proper.com: Host cbshost-24-249-149-4.sbcox.net [24.249.149.4] (may be forged) claimed to be [172.20.5.125] From: "Paul Hoffman" To: "Alexey Melnikov" Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:23:06 -0800 Message-ID: <11AB0416-C3FB-4211-9667-899D0665F87B@vpnc.org> In-Reply-To: <1484040615.3549806.842843153.32106FE4@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <7f687476-a694-0f7d-2e2f-84d23a9ea430@gmx.de> <78D16356-4962-445D-A513-44E432F6C87F@fastmail.fm> <6BC16581-9781-4704-B763-401EF9C2142C@fastmail.fm> <9ed27357-8114-e59a-b094-0f05fda174f7@gmail.com> <1484040615.3549806.842843153.32106FE4@webmail.messagingengine.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.6r5319) Archived-At: Cc: Tim Bray , json@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Json] Status of 7159bis X-BeenThere: json@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "JavaScript Object Notation \(JSON\) WG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:23:11 -0000 On 10 Jan 2017, at 1:30, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > Tim, > > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017, at 08:04 AM, Tim Bray wrote: > >> I’m assuming that in the near future there will be a note from the >> IESG to ietf@ mailing list advising us that they will be taking this >> matter up? > My understanding is that the action will be taken around RFC publication > time. So either the ECMA document going to have a similar note to what > is in 7159bis, or the RFC will be published without the current note. > > > So can we please get the document over this finish line? Can you as AD please tell us the steps that are needed to do that? --Paul Hoffman From nobody Tue Jan 10 08:25:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9AD61295F9 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:25:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.756 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.756 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id djoGXPhYW_pg for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:24:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DA0F129535 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:24:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.123] ([5.10.171.186]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MgKoE-1c4Weq0FGw-00NjLm; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 17:24:50 +0100 To: Paul Hoffman , Alexey Melnikov References: <7f687476-a694-0f7d-2e2f-84d23a9ea430@gmx.de> <78D16356-4962-445D-A513-44E432F6C87F@fastmail.fm> <6BC16581-9781-4704-B763-401EF9C2142C@fastmail.fm> <9ed27357-8114-e59a-b094-0f05fda174f7@gmail.com> <1484040615.3549806.842843153.32106FE4@webmail.messagingengine.com> <11AB0416-C3FB-4211-9667-899D0665F87B@vpnc.org> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <78dc32a2-4556-f222-26bf-60409b71e1ed@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 17:24:48 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <11AB0416-C3FB-4211-9667-899D0665F87B@vpnc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:QnCUW4/VZbOn4sjuzubQxYAEKPTYfhOo7QRL1szUruvEXtSXpk6 C15pAxIF1WGrlRHEJvhlWz1IEdLNRs+CTpJuTrJ1UF9Fz5Z9qP34YjWn9oA/A/t05s+bXhm s98NF4n28K5iLmxxuUiWdXMeSYMC9+k8Ogpv5aKdL0GGmhJ/wbWcqq4L6SmCKRZw0HagutM /QFAGIMnZIUXqzqyGjD4w== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:jNW8epRijDg=:BH1i3ZJp+kPk3z7mAZTxdr G+i8U0VKmCMdmZ/Y2QS0fVSLXJGDRVy4yHsxujDbdACixkxnXmUVFm4/wL10+DIVUU8bz03ug GvBf4CQl+eyrmpBqkgOeyG9bABNT8SYUEM6AQPeeZExz7YU8nQ8u6Qg96Z9pW9IPXMedpqzEN Kdz2yIZyiuEARAo3jlL/yNVBKZSEBo0ohbiDn30reoee+9qu/gtF4Sn5gk5YJoDukGixz5g2Y brKkQfRz8JLMiQKYUWKtX6VuH4YMB1upNwDFv0U3VCMCVs0MgMCf8zPk0/rah+hZRDJa5J2FX FMlDEtgeJ3YmqvToRrzNafjfHwUrIYy4v3sCszpLATprHXrgvbc8lLb2WvBp6daj2LALZJSXj 95GI8qqTZ6MmTl/hrZrL1z7+EvyAPsIdqizbRiHFO9tWX/AxPaIHoqaNLtawDqu+oFAhIz1cG EWf6ycKFS+zjFVN1YzcdadUP5Dr+mfg8Q8pUWr662Z8SEDO5jorDecoIjjAhu8gMmMVSdiGrY YvsSmfcK1CT93tZQ17talQcO/EEI1/qYDpI7L07Sstsf1r++oFBhY0qZnrMBWZ0ltQb7c7OB2 o8Y411iDL1jbp4c+4IboJZmQIRGNX9wUzxPHtBRp2aqFMgX1COvwz7jWNbYOITzxE2JJ+a8Tj JAbJGb5chd9+8lCGI4tkV9CH6Jl9fWtnTJuuCipOb+64cKCvdxLUeJrV0g7FQkdq7DuoDJxqC hvC/HGf2Hz24xQvvRCFP1t5nlTFKM0xRLHYXjdt7OT7Vt4wh61rLf8WDj38qlz0U0OI+5OeCy GGp76VObyJNaM4Rg3njtMeo2jc3rcgvX6MlX567ZgsElLVOGZ6r0+MOj3qYDFTqnyZVDCymZ1 +W/ZTqP0dpxgcyLhZWkWVVRZ5aEhNKJEEcexNq9dR6Xi3LT7gWEIXq0YMzzIOE98HFRFmbZ/g Dlcusffd4Qtrd28ZPMK0A1jBXnGjfDR2c7NJcWjNn7vsifeJ8A4KjNApAiEplqlgtB3PXP1rZ ODs/ACMPe/9bPOdAAjE3W8ZHNHeXiePx0h5iQiPW4f5TVC9H1Ss2jVG3G9nAfnMVvA== Archived-At: Cc: Tim Bray , json@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Json] Status of 7159bis X-BeenThere: json@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "JavaScript Object Notation \(JSON\) WG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:25:01 -0000 On 2017-01-10 17:23, Paul Hoffman wrote: > On 10 Jan 2017, at 1:30, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > >> Tim, >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017, at 08:04 AM, Tim Bray wrote: >> >>> I’m assuming that in the near future there will be a note from the >>> IESG to ietf@ mailing list advising us that they will be taking this >>> matter up? >> My understanding is that the action will be taken around RFC publication >> time. So either the ECMA document going to have a similar note to what >> is in 7159bis, or the RFC will be published without the current note. >> >> >> So can we please get the document over this finish line? > > Can you as AD please tell us the steps that are needed to do that? As a first step, address feedback and produce a new draft? 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Patel-Schneider" Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:27:05 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <78dc32a2-4556-f222-26bf-60409b71e1ed@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: Tim Bray , json@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Json] Status of 7159bis X-BeenThere: json@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "JavaScript Object Notation \(JSON\) WG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:27:22 -0000 On 01/10/2017 08:24 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2017-01-10 17:23, Paul Hoffman wrote: >> On 10 Jan 2017, at 1:30, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >> >>> Tim, >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017, at 08:04 AM, Tim Bray wrote: >>> >>>> I’m assuming that in the near future there will be a note from the >>>> IESG to ietf@ mailing list advising us that they will be taking this >>>> matter up? >>> My understanding is that the action will be taken around RFC publication >>> time. So either the ECMA document going to have a similar note to what >>> is in 7159bis, or the RFC will be published without the current note. >>> >>> >>> So can we please get the document over this finish line? >> >> Can you as AD please tell us the steps that are needed to do that? > > As a first step, address feedback and produce a new draft? > > Best regards, Julian And get at least a draft version of what ECMA is going to say? peter From nobody Tue Jan 10 13:15:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4059912959D for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 13:15:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.72 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.72 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=fastmail.fm header.b=Q9jLRRE0; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=dJqmHL11 Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NnuG1OssTsud for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 13:15:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F32C127071 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 13:15:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 858D920B2F; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:15:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:15:07 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.fm; h=cc :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=IEbJHvy2o1RvONo uWxDbKdSt+yU=; b=Q9jLRRE0vejnoPOARkGAgBmNW/EgPvl5ckOZBonp00y/BUA GuTckEZcgu4c9YOS9sP712n8B5hAIlkZhbxTr/7DqKVRyOgOBlkZqB3j7rB4+aql Qcczft4aac5+dqojG+TMHYm37ln6dujgiCl4hoizxHGCHf3k3YsUceRw+jIM= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s= smtpout; bh=IEbJHvy2o1RvONouWxDbKdSt+yU=; b=dJqmHL11PkQhDjd/cpaZ 64696pefN0+SHPM2MnhxG1pkvo9jt6FXnaVUIpPmpRoVtfD+lrGGd31UT6WZqnHJ TeSPreHmq7R40kt1xO4F9rzlrtf0fBoMzeQhkF9jZBaQ2xTHAczU4zWByfHdx75Z F/poFOayBU4UGXnS2TCK6jc= X-ME-Sender: X-Sasl-enc: XnBSV3ay3PNXFJeLBY0wbjUGm4p+VFXXqCsKE7P80JEe 1484082906 Received: from [10.215.66.91] (unknown [85.255.234.185]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E7B567E9F9; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:15:06 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Alexey Melnikov X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13G35) In-Reply-To: <78dc32a2-4556-f222-26bf-60409b71e1ed@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 21:24:23 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <16BDE0DA-39B3-46C0-A8F5-881D8DEA15F0@fastmail.fm> References: <7f687476-a694-0f7d-2e2f-84d23a9ea430@gmx.de> <78D16356-4962-445D-A513-44E432F6C87F@fastmail.fm> <6BC16581-9781-4704-B763-401EF9C2142C@fastmail.fm> <9ed27357-8114-e59a-b094-0f05fda174f7@gmail.com> <1484040615.3549806.842843153.32106FE4@webmail.messagingengine.com> <11AB0416-C3FB-4211-9667-899D0665F87B@vpnc.org> <78dc32a2-4556-f222-26bf-60409b71e1ed@gmx.de> To: Julian Reschke Archived-At: Cc: Tim Bray , Paul Hoffman , json@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Json] Status of 7159bis X-BeenThere: json@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "JavaScript Object Notation \(JSON\) WG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 21:15:09 -0000 > On 10 Jan 2017, at 16:24, Julian Reschke wrote: >=20 >> On 2017-01-10 17:23, Paul Hoffman wrote: >>> On 10 Jan 2017, at 1:30, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >>>=20 >>> Tim, >>>=20 >>>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017, at 08:04 AM, Tim Bray wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> I=92m assuming that in the near future there will be a note from the >>>> IESG to ietf@ mailing list advising us that they will be taking this >>>> matter up? >>> My understanding is that the action will be taken around RFC publication= >>> time. So either the ECMA document going to have a similar note to what >>> is in 7159bis, or the RFC will be published without the current note. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> So can we please get the document over this finish line? >>=20 >> Can you as AD please tell us the steps that are needed to do that? >=20 > As a first step, address feedback and produce a new draft? Indeed. From nobody Tue Jan 10 13:20:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B450129DBB for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 13:20:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.72 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.72 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=fastmail.fm header.b=Nf+AAQBi; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=nAz1m+Es Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OLqBZnBUX2Ds for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 13:20:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7A4D129DB2 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 13:20:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4193E2096C; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:20:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:20:48 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.fm; h=cc :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=l3pmCN/Jwk5SEu/ TrTSsyqcQ1XI=; b=Nf+AAQBiNi9UBJCnwk7wSdoOOHrMRwtf5UdmZPXRB2obLYp A9Pd/kCXEVWCN3CZWAh78RW2tSZ+wfqMRBBODpJ3yyHRQBxpaxxE0pF7YscgOnLT a3EYtNI9kqU+SZ2pHSpEcInzUIUd53U680N8ojRuOthAQC7uXUhxivdu98V0= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s= smtpout; bh=l3pmCN/Jwk5SEu/TrTSsyqcQ1XI=; b=nAz1m+Es5c6TmLSeyHXP C5FGommWC1duO8o/fyTa6nIAGr0kdxW00QJleXTfZjsaVc1bF3ArRQfe0Y8f9FXP aUJ/Q0/1a+fEwMHrGxUGpqX3P6ma+KqdiLZBTbJ+K32VvQnmSVLkp4OTVYx8q4cq kvZL+pbQ71ONx2VZpWltlSs= X-ME-Sender: X-Sasl-enc: 78QKhkyRgFPn9nbK1kXinUbqRbo6nznpu2dgr8NFlB1f 1484083247 Received: from [10.215.66.91] (unknown [85.255.234.185]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D9B097E709; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:20:47 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Alexey Melnikov X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13G35) In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 21:30:04 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <91E9DC74-F885-40B6-8C07-F43B00A0BD46@fastmail.fm> References: <7f687476-a694-0f7d-2e2f-84d23a9ea430@gmx.de> <78D16356-4962-445D-A513-44E432F6C87F@fastmail.fm> <6BC16581-9781-4704-B763-401EF9C2142C@fastmail.fm> <9ed27357-8114-e59a-b094-0f05fda174f7@gmail.com> <1484040615.3549806.842843153.32106FE4@webmail.messagingengine.com> <11AB0416-C3FB-4211-9667-899D0665F87B@vpnc.org> <78dc32a2-4556-f222-26bf-60409b71e1ed@gmx.de> To: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" Archived-At: Cc: Julian Reschke , Tim Bray , Paul Hoffman , json@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Json] Status of 7159bis X-BeenThere: json@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "JavaScript Object Notation \(JSON\) WG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 21:20:55 -0000 Sent from my iPhone > On 10 Jan 2017, at 16:27, Peter F. Patel-Schneider wrote: >=20 >> On 01/10/2017 08:24 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: >>> On 2017-01-10 17:23, Paul Hoffman wrote: >>>> On 10 Jan 2017, at 1:30, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Tim, >>>>=20 >>>>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017, at 08:04 AM, Tim Bray wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> I=92m assuming that in the near future there will be a note from the >>>>> IESG to ietf@ mailing list advising us that they will be taking this >>>>> matter up? >>>> My understanding is that the action will be taken around RFC publicatio= n >>>> time. So either the ECMA document going to have a similar note to what >>>> is in 7159bis, or the RFC will be published without the current note. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> So can we please get the document over this finish line? >>>=20 >>> Can you as AD please tell us the steps that are needed to do that? >>=20 >> As a first step, address feedback and produce a new draft? >>=20 >> Best regards, Julian >=20 > And get at least a draft version of what ECMA is going to say? I can investigate this, but I don't think this should be blocking as long as= the WG is happy to also publish the RFC without the note.= From nobody Wed Jan 11 02:21:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1332129B24 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2017 02:21:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.72 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.72 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=fastmail.fm header.b=lkrSqabL; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=DwPuM+vW Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jhzRjdOKUc9K for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2017 02:21:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9F37129B23 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2017 02:21:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13636206EE; Wed, 11 Jan 2017 05:21:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 11 Jan 2017 05:21:47 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.fm; h=cc :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=cf3eIVbyyhpnrvc HeyZx8YFhBVg=; b=lkrSqabLe6QG0krtQOJIeNxRNX+ZXDG0KkCZhsdCiI7oYFH zq356KXgNM2sHwd5f5+4v2E2pdJ+YvxhWgqdQSc/ZKKF1RsD5mqkjDqxDMAyofe6 Dh+yUCa0BCltKjAAjjN5suBnvg0Zhgt7RTokxU1eA8auNvEkWOK26fV09PYg= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s= smtpout; bh=cf3eIVbyyhpnrvcHeyZx8YFhBVg=; b=DwPuM+vWt50onZoyQzu5 e7wjy4OhNsuQeqJbcVc+CZr9BWkWenBX2meIPqCXElBu1XKUx5I2G8ZqZ3shl6iu u0EQbvrIV//YFMFIcEgo+aBwQ/MqO+F1pRSTrZIdb6aUmVDyKutEgzHCY0Oe0MFU Aqh49YS63TG/BzjtPEYpJTo= X-ME-Sender: X-Sasl-enc: NwnWZ1TB70XFw2Pk/6GvVM9hrfR2CQP6BzitVlYMEfHf 1484130106 Received: from [192.168.0.6] (cpc5-nmal20-2-0-cust24.19-2.cable.virginm.net [92.234.84.25]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id BD5A87E709; Wed, 11 Jan 2017 05:21:46 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Alexey Melnikov X-Mailer: iPad Mail (14A456) In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 10:39:08 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3E10B159-1E5E-490F-87FE-D5CBC6EEAE1E@fastmail.fm> References: <7f687476-a694-0f7d-2e2f-84d23a9ea430@gmx.de> <78D16356-4962-445D-A513-44E432F6C87F@fastmail.fm> <6BC16581-9781-4704-B763-401EF9C2142C@fastmail.fm> <9ed27357-8114-e59a-b094-0f05fda174f7@gmail.com> <1484040615.3549806.842843153.32106FE4@webmail.messagingengine.com> <11AB0416-C3FB-4211-9667-899D0665F87B@vpnc.org> <78dc32a2-4556-f222-26bf-60409b71e1ed@gmx.de> To: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" Archived-At: Cc: Julian Reschke , Tim Bray , Paul Hoffman , json@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Json] Status of 7159bis X-BeenThere: json@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "JavaScript Object Notation \(JSON\) WG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 10:21:48 -0000 > On 10 Jan 2017, at 16:27, Peter F. Patel-Schneider wrote: >=20 >> On 01/10/2017 08:24 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: >>> On 2017-01-10 17:23, Paul Hoffman wrote: >>>> On 10 Jan 2017, at 1:30, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Tim, >>>>=20 >>>>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017, at 08:04 AM, Tim Bray wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> I=92m assuming that in the near future there will be a note from the >>>>> IESG to ietf@ mailing list advising us that they will be taking this >>>>> matter up? >>>> My understanding is that the action will be taken around RFC publicatio= n >>>> time. So either the ECMA document going to have a similar note to what >>>> is in 7159bis, or the RFC will be published without the current note. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> So can we please get the document over this finish line? >>>=20 >>> Can you as AD please tell us the steps that are needed to do that? >>=20 >> As a first step, address feedback and produce a new draft? >>=20 >> Best regards, Julian >=20 > And get at least a draft version of what ECMA is going to say? Based on earlier discussions with ECMA they need to know the RFC number to r= eference. After that they say that they can move quite fast on adding the no= te. 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Patel-Schneider" Message-ID: <96fdac72-6dde-dc83-533e-4502b606b76c@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 08:03:05 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3E10B159-1E5E-490F-87FE-D5CBC6EEAE1E@fastmail.fm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: Julian Reschke , Tim Bray , Paul Hoffman , json@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Json] Status of 7159bis X-BeenThere: json@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "JavaScript Object Notation \(JSON\) WG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 16:03:12 -0000 On 01/11/2017 02:39 AM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > >> On 10 Jan 2017, at 16:27, Peter F. Patel-Schneider wrote: >> >>> On 01/10/2017 08:24 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: >>>> On 2017-01-10 17:23, Paul Hoffman wrote: >>>>> On 10 Jan 2017, at 1:30, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Tim, >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017, at 08:04 AM, Tim Bray wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I’m assuming that in the near future there will be a note from the >>>>>> IESG to ietf@ mailing list advising us that they will be taking this >>>>>> matter up? >>>>> My understanding is that the action will be taken around RFC publication >>>>> time. So either the ECMA document going to have a similar note to what >>>>> is in 7159bis, or the RFC will be published without the current note. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So can we please get the document over this finish line? >>>> >>>> Can you as AD please tell us the steps that are needed to do that? >>> >>> As a first step, address feedback and produce a new draft? >>> >>> Best regards, Julian >> >> And get at least a draft version of what ECMA is going to say? > > Based on earlier discussions with ECMA they need to know the RFC number to reference. After that they say that they can move quite fast on adding the note. Isn't the number 7159bis? 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Patel-Schneider wrote: > Isn't the number 7159bis? Why can't ECMA go ahead using this number? No. Stuff like 7159bis is only used in the drafting process. There are no actual RFCs with 'bis' suffixes in their numbers. To check, please see https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc-index2.html, which is a full list of RFCs. The number will be allocated shortly before publication, it may be 8059 or 8159 or anything else to the RFC Editor's fancy. Regards, Martin. 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[95.176.25.124]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id o42sm9516272wrb.18.2017.01.27.12.13.13 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 27 Jan 2017 12:13:13 -0800 (PST) From: Anders Rundgren To: "json@ietf.org" , "jose@ietf.org" Message-ID: <0000859e-843d-ef5d-e2e3-1a7b1e17baf2@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 21:13:05 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Json] YASMIN - Yet Another jSon Message notatIoN X-BeenThere: json@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "JavaScript Object Notation \(JSON\) WG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 20:13:17 -0000 WebSocket [1] is claimed to be the most efficient communication method for interactive Web applications. REST [2] is essentially incompatible with WebSocket although some people try to merge them. That's IMO fairly pointless, since they are building on different concepts. YASMIN [3], OTOH was *designed from scratch* to support both event-based communication like WebSocket and postMessage(), as well as traditional request/response schemes. Anders 1] https://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc6455.txt 2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representational_state_transfer https://cyberphone.github.io/doc/web/REST-in-peace.html 3] https://cyberphone.github.io/doc/web/yasmin.html From nobody Mon Jan 30 19:39:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB2EA129D19 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 19:39:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=textuality-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R46D4nayA6Qu for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 19:39:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qk0-x22a.google.com (mail-qk0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F767129D18 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 19:39:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qk0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id l126so18706819qkc.1 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 19:39:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=textuality-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=JsUKWgjXQvQ8qvvOhimgQQ3mHb9Wk4DWaaky5ut9M+k=; b=rCWA17FpF6/ft/U86AN3zj8bRZouRnW5k822owvq9jsl2+y63Jvy0vl6VTkxZecrFn 1A6QOA9F631g/uLyDTCW790krNId1mERZC5dU0QM0fkNvI5+jbuDQG/ljAVmNYfwRx7h z6ADMIL+uoR3cKrz3fV4yd1Df1HrjQPRtX7GvMxbq0s4tI2dptYBsyePwkTD0xL1kn4n oanKOMCMxTKDXZLTSHWjZtwIMUdftJzK4LnjVdgQlyquNSspcrUbpnZcegnplBoo3VJt 2S1meLOtKwOIQHqdjrmIomDB8T5/LCfoQHTAZrc1NH+D2401Cs5tIkl7dVI9YAJSjCFC E7RQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=JsUKWgjXQvQ8qvvOhimgQQ3mHb9Wk4DWaaky5ut9M+k=; b=YvucbTii7WUKAwBxEFYt/032vTv54bd3MMD5Fy82t8J64mD6SaHWGHv/kYWm3/aJxg xEg5JNLz36rxREvmV+jBMhYo6wIIrcmq9ILhOJXqPSvqaV23dyHQSRLPYrtf9J8CCwv7 fjhkEaee8NTHB3GCasRwEbnnz92cdDoR1/10tQ0jSfKdiaJpTNsbUMJvs+WSI95De5U8 A+spmcdOWrmYWA8E9uFGweRMufv8mQy40drNfz94HyOEYnVuQuxXEsKb9HyGHLPPsGNF LzWIuthSuZSoSOdMkZaX7ccMVp+lsBbQvA64HwICroV6D9LynF2EPZ7Ny3hRfFaVinlt 9W/Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXJnE/GuO+WGRddgx3qSm7yRJHjhpX97WEooRifDeuAqkc2QrCNR5CuiJ5eb8PDPyszP5tAxlTmcATSWUQ== X-Received: by 10.55.24.221 with SMTP id 90mr27001303qky.296.1485833939617; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 19:38:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.34.52 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 19:38:39 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [24.86.134.32] In-Reply-To: References: <4c9504d3-c212-0b8c-0016-b31d653f15a6@gmail.com> <9E2C2681-B776-444F-84DC-9A28130DB2C1@cisco.com> <77e8ce0f-ceb3-0b69-54eb-635afbdf2a17@gmx.de> <9FD90C0C-FAAA-4109-856E-DF1746B78A0D@fastmail.fm> <49EB1F76-E29A-4EFA-8921-FC9474C751BF@fastmail.fm> From: Tim Bray Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 19:38:39 -0800 Message-ID: To: Barry Leiba Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113b6f242acba905475bacfb Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-jsonbis-rfc7159bis.all@ietf.org" , Alexey Melnikov , "json@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Json] Early AD review of draft-ietf-jsonbis-rfc7159bis-02 X-BeenThere: json@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "JavaScript Object Notation \(JSON\) WG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 03:39:02 -0000 --001a113b6f242acba905475bacfb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just put finishing touches on the draft, and I surveyed back through the WG and found Barry=E2=80=99s note: =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B O =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B n Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 1:29 AM, Barry Leiba wrote= : =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > > "Byte order mark" in Section 8.1 needs a definition, for example by > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > > > including the Unicode codepoint value. > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BCorrect - a bit more work than you might think, since there's not = a really good canonical reference. So I just updated the text to read =E2=80=9CImplementations MUST NOT add a byte order mark (either U+FEFF or U= +FFE) to the beginning of=E2=80=8B=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D Anyone have a better idea? =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > > In Section 11: I think you meant to update references to point to this > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > > document, not an earlier RFC. > OK =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > > > > Appendix A needs to be checked that it is correct. I think at least a > couple > > of things are out of date. > =E2=80=8BYep. Now it's just deltas since 7159.=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8B> First mention of UTF-8, UTF-16 need normative references. OK. One reference (Unicode Section 3) will do for all three. --001a113b6f242acba905475bacfb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jus= t put finishing touches on the draft, and I surveyed back through the WG an= d found Barry=E2=80=99s note:

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=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B
n Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 1:29 AM,= Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> wrote:
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= =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B
> "Byte order mark" in Section 8.1 nee= ds a definition, for example by
=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B

> including the Unicode codepoint value.
=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B
=E2=80=8BCorrect - a bit m= ore work than you might think, since there's not a really good canonica= l reference. So I just updated the text to read =E2=80=9CImplementations MU= ST NOT add a byte order mark (either U+FEFF or U+FFE) to the beginning of= =E2=80=8B=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D

Anyone have a better idea?
=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B
=E2= =80=8B=E2=80=8B
> In Section 11: I think you meant to update refere= nces to point to this
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> document, not an earlier RFC.

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>
> Appendix A needs to be checked that it is correct. I think at least a = couple
> of things are out of date.

=E2=80=8BYep. Now it's = just deltas since 7159.=E2=80=8B

=E2=80=8B> First mention of UTF-8, UTF-= 16 need normative references.

OK.=C2=A0 One reference (Unicode Section 3) will do for all thre= e.


--001a113b6f242acba905475bacfb-- From nobody Mon Jan 30 19:58:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75C2129D5E for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 19:58:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=textuality-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5Nj6g6cpWKgY for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 19:58:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qk0-x22d.google.com (mail-qk0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0109129D5D for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 19:58:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qk0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id l126so19005159qkc.1 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 19:58:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=textuality-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=e41G4ZromQhJZSMHQUhrXalJtktJvHt1+VaR9x6FO/w=; b=hVJYWWX6ATg8R/ldGhRW2yAFzIxalQf8EOXfreB1pEJLsmMrXbOfFMCEox1IKqvKBW ziBA/Lzpcn0rwc+rQbQF4pL94Vu0tYdhm+nXiLOE2zCSvyjs+oeXkxyU5CF9KEprscbV dCeDXX7BKDzK5/j9ua0NcVfTDtrIzLlULzUH0XleYZS9lcKnYvwB7uhfbq+bAVOoANil eyeSl+4NEqsTuZppy0u7dyU+3nIsjW6thHRO7/xyuaDyZTRaiYWsf2h1KEHVYqEN06ri 9pFmT5f1UY8hRFmWQhW3e4OL0zzK94jJYoI4lT1epVWBXGuEypM1+2MaunFH1ew++Yb/ D8RQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=e41G4ZromQhJZSMHQUhrXalJtktJvHt1+VaR9x6FO/w=; b=DuQlgYfHc3iqcpDl7/6UQq8BXkeClzL43PFINtinz1Fqk6yEQnWa9cdnD0kzVNkt/C 2pSEh5pXi8Qj1f2o+o/g4W4KFLivK/B3K7qrzFpXbzpUEZHkcWdxYXfmGR4n684qLDqz b8H10PfRzzodXLdHhPTpleVVR7i+CE5Aautb8NHGO6kuKRH2a8yKWVcyOCNe+2ziTMBW A8xpES2Mb+w9NIDrLHpPG4d2wSHpW61gU9z0E41zD8X3WkwkpsbhSndBlkwuot3QoPrF yZDfGLw+2mSMR/G1YdiRW1Nqto8tyMlJwd/iQJkkH5vlssTbKAK57WmsPniQLvdW8HLG v+FQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXIa9100WR9e7slLGG+gtjdNIc3LqBPP6I/wmcwku54QnlSbMKbKBK6XkiOMzQ4UzsmKH7t+GwjQNDvsmg== X-Received: by 10.55.142.135 with SMTP id q129mr24030124qkd.83.1485835103914; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 19:58:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.34.52 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 19:58:03 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [24.86.134.32] From: Tim Bray Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 19:58:03 -0800 Message-ID: To: "json@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c085150906fff05475bf11f Archived-At: Subject: [Json] (no subject) X-BeenThere: json@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "JavaScript Object Notation \(JSON\) WG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 03:58:25 -0000 --94eb2c085150906fff05475bf11f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just put finishing touches on the draft, and I surveyed back through the WG and found Barry=E2=80=99s note: =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B O =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B n Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 1:29 AM, Barry Leiba wrote= : =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > > "Byte order mark" in Section 8.1 needs a definition, for example by > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > > > including the Unicode codepoint value. > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BCorrect - a bit more work than you might think, since there's not = a really good canonical reference. So I just updated the text to read =E2=80=9CImplementations MUST NOT add a byte order mark (either U+FEFF or U= +FFE) to the beginning of=E2=80=8B=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D Anyone have a better idea? =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > > In Section 11: I think you meant to update references to point to this > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > > document, not an earlier RFC. > OK =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > > > > Appendix A needs to be checked that it is correct. I think at least a > couple > > of things are out of date. > =E2=80=8BYep. Now it's just deltas since 7159.=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8B> First mention of UTF-8, UTF-16 need normative references. OK. One reference (Unicode Section 3) will do for all three. --94eb2c085150906fff05475bf11f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just put finishing touches on the draft, and I su= rveyed back through the WG and found Barry=E2=80=99s note:

=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B<= /div>O
=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B
n Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 1:= 29 AM, Barry Leiba=C2=A0<barryleiba@computer.org>=C2= =A0wrote:
<= div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B
=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B
>= ; "Byte order mark" in Section 8.1 needs a definition, for exampl= e by
= =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B

> including the Unicode codepoint value.
=
=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B
=E2=80=8BCorrect - a bit more work than you might think, since the= re's not a really good canonical reference. So I just updated the text = to read =E2=80=9CImplementations MUST NOT add a byte order mark (either U+F= EFF or U+FFE) to the beginning of=E2=80=8B=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D

Anyone have a better idea?
=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B
= =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B
> In Section 11: I think you meant to update ref= erences to point to this
=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B
> document, not an earlie= r RFC.

OK
=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B
>
> Appendix A nee= ds to be checked that it is correct. I think at least a couple
> of t= hings are out of date.

=E2=80=8BYep. Now it's ju= st deltas since 7159.=E2=80=8B

=E2=80=8B> First= mention of UTF-8, UTF-16 need normative references.

OK.=C2=A0 One reference (Unicode = Section 3) will do for all three.
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So I just updated the text to read > “Implementations MUST NOT add a byte order mark (either U+FEFF or U+FFE) to > the beginning of​…” > > Anyone have a better idea? Definitely. First, you probably intended this to be (either U+FEFF or U+FFFE). Second, only the former is the BOM, the second is a noncharacter according to Unicode terminology. To be more explicit, the BOM is always the codepoint U+FEFF. It appears as 0xFE 0xFF in big endian UTF-16, and as 0xFF 0xFE in little endian UTF-16, but that's a separate issue. Regards, Martin.