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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:16:43 -0000 three months later and a new deadline is approaching. Any chance of seeing progress on a draft? David Harrington Director, IETF Transport Area ietfdbh@comcast.net (preferred for ietf) dbharrington@huaweisymantec.com +1 603 828 1401 (cell) > -----Original Message----- > From: middisc-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:middisc-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Wesley Eddy > Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 5:53 PM > To: middisc@ietf.org > Subject: [middisc] middisc specification update > > Hi folks, this is a reminder that there are cut-off dates approaching > for draft submission prior to the next IETF meeting. If I understand > correctly, Andrew has the pen and should be working on either a new or > updated document based on prior discussions. If it's at all possible > to get that in before the relevant cut-off date, that would be very > encouraging. > > -- > Wes Eddy > MTI Systems > _______________________________________________ > middisc mailing list > middisc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/middisc > From ananth@cisco.com Tue Jan 17 13:29:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: middisc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: middisc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA2D721F8685 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:29:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oT92bB8dalBY for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:29:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtv-iport-3.cisco.com (mtv-iport-3.cisco.com [173.36.130.14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 298E721F862B for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:29:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=ananth@cisco.com; l=1808; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1326835783; x=1328045383; h=mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date: message-id:in-reply-to:references:from:to; bh=L99++D9mYdEiNKc2uCjUl39eHWfsVlqIP6Sq6NyYzp0=; b=R8NY3uMEO1vbRJnLdVa+LURP9dhjYel9wJj4aHZfiNJWBB6YMCuoxG0I vg7yh6grPUFdS4H1iJBTgW2w2WkvApBlr6vw8F8lwQ8VmvaySErxfJ2nm qAOVBft6HZnIsts6fllG2Uc32HCediJRdGWzCE20qIzEJTgRPAlQuthKZ U=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AroAAL3nFU+rRDoH/2dsb2JhbABBA50MjzeBBoEFgXIBAQEEAQEBDwEdCjQXBAIBCA4DBAEBCwYXAQYBJh8JCAEBBAESCBqHYJh4AZ5ABIktMwIBAUIEBAEDBwEBAw4FAQIBAQUDAQEBAQI9DAoaMIFoVxYBAQECCYI+YwSIO584 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,525,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="25861533" Received: from mtv-core-2.cisco.com ([171.68.58.7]) by mtv-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Jan 2012 21:29:42 +0000 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by mtv-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q0HLTdQ5026661; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:29:39 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-21c.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.176]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:29:39 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:29:38 -0800 Message-ID: <0C53DCFB700D144284A584F54711EC580E546254@xmb-sjc-21c.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <2AE215BDC76842F885AC7E9D34BD2CA4@davidPC> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [middisc] middisc specification update Thread-Index: AcyG5wLVJKtf0Y74SiSodjFq7qJ2lxObcJ+QAAJE5sA= References: <4E9241F7.5090406@mti-systems.com> <2AE215BDC76842F885AC7E9D34BD2CA4@davidPC> From: "Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)" To: "David Harrington" , "Wesley Eddy" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2012 21:29:39.0509 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E5F8E50:01CCD55F] Subject: Re: [middisc] middisc specification update X-BeenThere: middisc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on TCP option for middlebox discovery." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:29:43 -0000 I hope to get something out (based on the discussions so far) before the IETF deadlines. I'll start looking into this very soon. I assume we are talking about the -00- cutoff deadline here and the IETF page says it is March 5th. -Anantha > -----Original Message----- > From: middisc-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:middisc-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of David Harrington > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:16 PM > To: 'Wesley Eddy'; middisc@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [middisc] middisc specification update >=20 > three months later and a new deadline is approaching. > Any chance of seeing progress on a draft? >=20 > David Harrington > Director, IETF Transport Area > ietfdbh@comcast.net (preferred for ietf) > dbharrington@huaweisymantec.com > +1 603 828 1401 (cell) >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: middisc-bounces@ietf.org > > [mailto:middisc-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Wesley Eddy > > Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 5:53 PM > > To: middisc@ietf.org > > Subject: [middisc] middisc specification update > > > > Hi folks, this is a reminder that there are cut-off dates > approaching > > for draft submission prior to the next IETF meeting. If I > understand > > correctly, Andrew has the pen and should be working on either a new > or > > updated document based on prior discussions. If it's at all > possible > > to get that in before the relevant cut-off date, that would be very > > encouraging. > > > > -- > > Wes Eddy > > MTI Systems > > _______________________________________________ > > middisc mailing list > > middisc@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/middisc > > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > middisc mailing list > middisc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/middisc From andrew.knutsen@bluecoat.com Tue Jan 17 15:11:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: middisc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: middisc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866B121F8507 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:11:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vCEzk1qIitbO for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:11:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from whisker.bluecoat.com (whisker.bluecoat.com [216.52.23.28]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED6121F84FE for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:11:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from PWSVL-EXCHTS-01.internal.cacheflow.com ([10.2.2.122]) by whisker.bluecoat.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q0HNBBGc004024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:11:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.9.84.250] (10.2.2.106) by exchange.bluecoat.com (10.2.2.122) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.289.1; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:11:06 -0800 Message-ID: <4F16000A.3070100@bluecoat.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:11:06 -0800 From: Andrew Knutsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)" References: <4E9241F7.5090406@mti-systems.com> <2AE215BDC76842F885AC7E9D34BD2CA4@davidPC> <0C53DCFB700D144284A584F54711EC580E546254@xmb-sjc-21c.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <0C53DCFB700D144284A584F54711EC580E546254@xmb-sjc-21c.amer.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Wesley Eddy , Ron Frederick , middisc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [middisc] middisc specification update X-BeenThere: middisc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on TCP option for middlebox discovery." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 23:11:16 -0000 Sorry to say I've been too busy to rework the draft. Anantha, if you have time that would be fine with me. I believe we've settled on a format, as proposed by Ron; its just the boilerplate/terminology sections that need to be re-written. Andrew On 1/17/2012 1:29 PM, Anantha Ramaiah (ananth) wrote: > I hope to get something out (based on the discussions so far) before the > IETF deadlines. I'll start looking into this very soon. I assume we are > talking about the -00- cutoff deadline here and the IETF page says it is > March 5th. > -Anantha > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: middisc-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:middisc-bounces@ietf.org] On >> Behalf Of David Harrington >> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:16 PM >> To: 'Wesley Eddy'; middisc@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [middisc] middisc specification update >> >> three months later and a new deadline is approaching. >> Any chance of seeing progress on a draft? >> >> David Harrington >> Director, IETF Transport Area >> ietfdbh@comcast.net (preferred for ietf) >> dbharrington@huaweisymantec.com >> +1 603 828 1401 (cell) >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: middisc-bounces@ietf.org >>> [mailto:middisc-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Wesley Eddy >>> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 5:53 PM >>> To: middisc@ietf.org >>> Subject: [middisc] middisc specification update >>> >>> Hi folks, this is a reminder that there are cut-off dates >> approaching >>> for draft submission prior to the next IETF meeting. If I >> understand >>> correctly, Andrew has the pen and should be working on either a new >> or >>> updated document based on prior discussions. If it's at all >> possible >>> to get that in before the relevant cut-off date, that would be very >>> encouraging. >>> >>> -- >>> Wes Eddy >>> MTI Systems >>> _______________________________________________ >>> middisc mailing list >>> middisc@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/middisc >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> middisc mailing list >> middisc@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/middisc > _______________________________________________ > middisc mailing list > middisc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/middisc From ananth@cisco.com Tue Jan 17 18:03:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: middisc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: middisc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 443B81F0C4B for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:03:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HgJqsze7FgSW for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:03:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtv-iport-4.cisco.com (mtv-iport-4.cisco.com [173.36.130.15]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D5681F0C3F for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:03:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=ananth@cisco.com; l=3330; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1326852213; x=1328061813; h=mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date: message-id:in-reply-to:references:from:to:cc; bh=9K4XbYRcI0t1fQmFpIFBBQ6h2lCEdw8INHNGx2u+8LQ=; b=P2sIUcEDZjg4lhNkiDniRLlCnrT0+Bg+4Wn3+6hAdZomMGV89JcdjjjP vdnYgpU7D8ZiOAe4U2A+vya/EH7pG20SK9XemSnLhoAkYl/4s032DvM9F T5Yeg+oNVOrtH97T2uNCNjNFIhg0PxrK+Dx3MoEbhfgpOyRHW6UWJ5/tm I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AroAADooFk+rRDoI/2dsb2JhbABBA50NjzeBBoEFgXIBAQEEAQEBDwEdCjQLDAQCAQgRBAEBAQoGFwEGASYfCQgBAQQTCBqHYJkUAZ5SBIktMwIBAUIEBAEDBwEBAw4FAQIBAQgBAQEDPQwKGjCBaCEFAw0QAgMCAQEDAQEDFgEBAQIJgj5jBIg7nzg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,526,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="25723301" Received: from mtv-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.58.8]) by mtv-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 18 Jan 2012 02:03:31 +0000 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by mtv-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q0I23VaU032387; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 02:03:31 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-21c.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.176]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:03:31 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:03:30 -0800 Message-ID: <0C53DCFB700D144284A584F54711EC580E546389@xmb-sjc-21c.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4F16000A.3070100@bluecoat.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [middisc] middisc specification update Thread-Index: AczVbVFXcDU24JEuR3WSPkOJ1G/a6wAFjCSg References: <4E9241F7.5090406@mti-systems.com> <2AE215BDC76842F885AC7E9D34BD2CA4@davidPC> <0C53DCFB700D144284A584F54711EC580E546254@xmb-sjc-21c.amer.cisco.com> <4F16000A.3070100@bluecoat.com> From: "Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)" To: "Andrew Knutsen" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2012 02:03:31.0275 (UTC) FILETIME=[607811B0:01CCD585] Cc: Wesley Eddy , Ron Frederick , middisc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [middisc] middisc specification update X-BeenThere: middisc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on TCP option for middlebox discovery." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 02:03:34 -0000 Andrew, Well, I think the summary was that :- - we needed to re-write the draft considerably, esp, the motivation and scope, followed by the method (option format) which was agreed upon, then add notes on interoperability, remove irrelevant text etc., Anyways, let me take a first cut and once ready will post it and then we can have more reviews etc., (of course all these to be done before the cut off) I'll start working on it after sometime in the middle or end of next week. [ I hope to get more free time after getting over some tight internal deadlines] -Anantha > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Knutsen [mailto:andrew.knutsen@bluecoat.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:11 PM > To: Anantha Ramaiah (ananth) > Cc: David Harrington; Wesley Eddy; middisc@ietf.org; Ron Frederick > Subject: Re: [middisc] middisc specification update >=20 >=20 > Sorry to say I've been too busy to rework the draft. Anantha, if > you have time that would be fine with me. I believe we've settled on a > format, as proposed by Ron; its just the boilerplate/terminology > sections that need to be re-written. >=20 > Andrew >=20 > On 1/17/2012 1:29 PM, Anantha Ramaiah (ananth) wrote: > > I hope to get something out (based on the discussions so far) before > the > > IETF deadlines. I'll start looking into this very soon. I assume we > are > > talking about the -00- cutoff deadline here and the IETF page says it > is > > March 5th. > > -Anantha > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: middisc-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:middisc-bounces@ietf.org] On > >> Behalf Of David Harrington > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:16 PM > >> To: 'Wesley Eddy'; middisc@ietf.org > >> Subject: Re: [middisc] middisc specification update > >> > >> three months later and a new deadline is approaching. > >> Any chance of seeing progress on a draft? > >> > >> David Harrington > >> Director, IETF Transport Area > >> ietfdbh@comcast.net (preferred for ietf) > >> dbharrington@huaweisymantec.com > >> +1 603 828 1401 (cell) > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: middisc-bounces@ietf.org > >>> [mailto:middisc-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Wesley Eddy > >>> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 5:53 PM > >>> To: middisc@ietf.org > >>> Subject: [middisc] middisc specification update > >>> > >>> Hi folks, this is a reminder that there are cut-off dates > >> approaching > >>> for draft submission prior to the next IETF meeting. If I > >> understand > >>> correctly, Andrew has the pen and should be working on either a new > >> or > >>> updated document based on prior discussions. If it's at all > >> possible > >>> to get that in before the relevant cut-off date, that would be very > >>> encouraging. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Wes Eddy > >>> MTI Systems > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> middisc mailing list > >>> middisc@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/middisc > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> middisc mailing list > >> middisc@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/middisc > > _______________________________________________ > > middisc mailing list > > middisc@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/middisc From andrew.knutsen@bluecoat.com Tue Jan 17 18:23:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: middisc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: middisc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66281F0C35 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:23:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4ToyGOqffaS3 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:23:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from whisker.bluecoat.com (whisker.bluecoat.com [216.52.23.28]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580F021F85FC for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:23:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from PWSVL-EXCHTS-01.internal.cacheflow.com ([10.2.2.122]) by whisker.bluecoat.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q0I2NTF1002729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:23:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.9.84.250] (10.2.2.106) by exchange.bluecoat.com (10.2.2.122) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.289.1; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:23:24 -0800 Message-ID: <4F162D1C.1060808@bluecoat.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:23:24 -0800 From: Andrew Knutsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)" References: <4E9241F7.5090406@mti-systems.com> <2AE215BDC76842F885AC7E9D34BD2CA4@davidPC> <0C53DCFB700D144284A584F54711EC580E546254@xmb-sjc-21c.amer.cisco.com> <4F16000A.3070100@bluecoat.com> <0C53DCFB700D144284A584F54711EC580E546389@xmb-sjc-21c.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <0C53DCFB700D144284A584F54711EC580E546389@xmb-sjc-21c.amer.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Wesley Eddy , Ron Frederick , middisc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [middisc] middisc specification update X-BeenThere: middisc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on TCP option for middlebox discovery." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 02:23:33 -0000 The other important thing I recall was a very clear statement of what it is and isn't for. As I recall there was concern from the chair (one of them ;-) that we not allow arbitrary use, ala the deprecated SNAP option. Andrew On 1/17/2012 6:03 PM, Anantha Ramaiah (ananth) wrote: > Andrew, > > Well, I think the summary was that :- > > - we needed to re-write the draft considerably, esp, the motivation and > scope, followed by the method (option format) which was agreed upon, > then add notes on interoperability, remove irrelevant text etc., > > Anyways, let me take a first cut and once ready will post it and then we > can have more reviews etc., (of course all these to be done before the > cut off) > > I'll start working on it after sometime in the middle or end of next > week. [ I hope to get more free time after getting over some tight > internal deadlines] > > -Anantha > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Andrew Knutsen [mailto:andrew.knutsen@bluecoat.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:11 PM >> To: Anantha Ramaiah (ananth) >> Cc: David Harrington; Wesley Eddy; middisc@ietf.org; Ron Frederick >> Subject: Re: [middisc] middisc specification update >> >> >> Sorry to say I've been too busy to rework the draft. Anantha, if >> you have time that would be fine with me. I believe we've settled on > a >> format, as proposed by Ron; its just the boilerplate/terminology >> sections that need to be re-written. >> >> Andrew >> >> On 1/17/2012 1:29 PM, Anantha Ramaiah (ananth) wrote: >>> I hope to get something out (based on the discussions so far) before >> the >>> IETF deadlines. I'll start looking into this very soon. I assume we >> are >>> talking about the -00- cutoff deadline here and the IETF page says > it >> is >>> March 5th. >>> -Anantha >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: middisc-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:middisc-bounces@ietf.org] On >>>> Behalf Of David Harrington >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:16 PM >>>> To: 'Wesley Eddy'; middisc@ietf.org >>>> Subject: Re: [middisc] middisc specification update >>>> >>>> three months later and a new deadline is approaching. >>>> Any chance of seeing progress on a draft? >>>> >>>> David Harrington >>>> Director, IETF Transport Area >>>> ietfdbh@comcast.net (preferred for ietf) >>>> dbharrington@huaweisymantec.com >>>> +1 603 828 1401 (cell) >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: middisc-bounces@ietf.org >>>>> [mailto:middisc-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Wesley Eddy >>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 5:53 PM >>>>> To: middisc@ietf.org >>>>> Subject: [middisc] middisc specification update >>>>> >>>>> Hi folks, this is a reminder that there are cut-off dates >>>> approaching >>>>> for draft submission prior to the next IETF meeting. If I >>>> understand >>>>> correctly, Andrew has the pen and should be working on either a > new >>>> or >>>>> updated document based on prior discussions. If it's at all >>>> possible >>>>> to get that in before the relevant cut-off date, that would be > very >>>>> encouraging. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Wes Eddy >>>>> MTI Systems >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> middisc mailing list >>>>> middisc@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/middisc >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> middisc mailing list >>>> middisc@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/middisc >>> _______________________________________________ >>> middisc mailing list >>> middisc@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/middisc From ananth@cisco.com Tue Jan 17 18:25:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: middisc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: middisc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877D91F0C3F for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:25:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QhbABziLQl3J for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:25:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtv-iport-2.cisco.com (mtv-iport-2.cisco.com [173.36.130.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F411F0C35 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:25:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=ananth@cisco.com; l=4295; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1326853523; x=1328063123; h=mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date: message-id:in-reply-to:references:from:to:cc; bh=36qtQqFHY3oZgmqEYWNyZEa8i3sn0x11W6iDtJbuG90=; b=UfVmS3wXIIYWU3WnLGXRMv7GeqLq9kbAqn3mwVxFoi2KcmTU9rgnAahE zl4vu3TSg5yjCbWIu1DV1TvowgoyG/6s5VoSHHozP+KIxzqIb6eP0ESgz eTeMXSTDdU7pXJNvvQIKDUPoJh3pS42Gr33jsUccunmtDkk7MHdMwxgK0 w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AroAAOcsFk+rRDoJ/2dsb2JhbABBA50NjzeBBoEFgXIBAQEDAQEBAQ8BHQo0CwUHBAIBCBEEAQEBCgYXAQYBJh8JCAEBBBMIGodYCJkRAZ5TBIktMwIBAUIEBAEDBwEBAw4FAQIBAQgBAQEDPQwKGjCBaCEFAw0QAgMCAQEDAQEDFgEBAQIJgj5jBIg7nzg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,526,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="25884363" Received: from mtv-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.58.9]) by mtv-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 18 Jan 2012 02:25:23 +0000 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by mtv-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q0I2PNhS018139; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 02:25:23 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-21c.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.176]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:25:23 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:25:22 -0800 Message-ID: <0C53DCFB700D144284A584F54711EC580E54638D@xmb-sjc-21c.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4F162D1C.1060808@bluecoat.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [middisc] middisc specification update Thread-Index: AczViC2PgEPE17qiTS6eIIe8qhyjQQAABwzg References: <4E9241F7.5090406@mti-systems.com> <2AE215BDC76842F885AC7E9D34BD2CA4@davidPC> <0C53DCFB700D144284A584F54711EC580E546254@xmb-sjc-21c.amer.cisco.com> <4F16000A.3070100@bluecoat.com> <0C53DCFB700D144284A584F54711EC580E546389@xmb-sjc-21c.amer.cisco.com> <4F162D1C.1060808@bluecoat.com> From: "Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)" To: "Andrew Knutsen" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2012 02:25:23.0116 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E631EC0:01CCD588] Cc: Wesley Eddy , Ron Frederick , middisc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [middisc] middisc specification update X-BeenThere: middisc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on TCP option for middlebox discovery." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 02:25:24 -0000 Yep, I had that jotted down as well. The scope should cover that.. -Anantha > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Knutsen [mailto:andrew.knutsen@bluecoat.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 6:23 PM > To: Anantha Ramaiah (ananth) > Cc: David Harrington; Wesley Eddy; middisc@ietf.org; Ron Frederick > Subject: Re: [middisc] middisc specification update >=20 >=20 > The other important thing I recall was a very clear statement of > what it is and isn't for. As I recall there was concern from the chair > (one of them ;-) that we not allow arbitrary use, ala the deprecated > SNAP option. >=20 > Andrew >=20 > On 1/17/2012 6:03 PM, Anantha Ramaiah (ananth) wrote: > > Andrew, > > > > Well, I think the summary was that :- > > > > - we needed to re-write the draft considerably, esp, the motivation > and > > scope, followed by the method (option format) which was agreed upon, > > then add notes on interoperability, remove irrelevant text etc., > > > > Anyways, let me take a first cut and once ready will post it and then > we > > can have more reviews etc., (of course all these to be done before > the > > cut off) > > > > I'll start working on it after sometime in the middle or end of next > > week. [ I hope to get more free time after getting over some tight > > internal deadlines] > > > > -Anantha > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Andrew Knutsen [mailto:andrew.knutsen@bluecoat.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:11 PM > >> To: Anantha Ramaiah (ananth) > >> Cc: David Harrington; Wesley Eddy; middisc@ietf.org; Ron Frederick > >> Subject: Re: [middisc] middisc specification update > >> > >> > >> Sorry to say I've been too busy to rework the draft. Anantha, > if > >> you have time that would be fine with me. I believe we've settled > on > > a > >> format, as proposed by Ron; its just the boilerplate/terminology > >> sections that need to be re-written. > >> > >> Andrew > >> > >> On 1/17/2012 1:29 PM, Anantha Ramaiah (ananth) wrote: > >>> I hope to get something out (based on the discussions so far) > before > >> the > >>> IETF deadlines. I'll start looking into this very soon. I assume > we > >> are > >>> talking about the -00- cutoff deadline here and the IETF page says > > it > >> is > >>> March 5th. > >>> -Anantha > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: middisc-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:middisc-bounces@ietf.org] > On > >>>> Behalf Of David Harrington > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:16 PM > >>>> To: 'Wesley Eddy'; middisc@ietf.org > >>>> Subject: Re: [middisc] middisc specification update > >>>> > >>>> three months later and a new deadline is approaching. > >>>> Any chance of seeing progress on a draft? > >>>> > >>>> David Harrington > >>>> Director, IETF Transport Area > >>>> ietfdbh@comcast.net (preferred for ietf) > >>>> dbharrington@huaweisymantec.com > >>>> +1 603 828 1401 (cell) > >>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: middisc-bounces@ietf.org > >>>>> [mailto:middisc-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Wesley Eddy > >>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 5:53 PM > >>>>> To: middisc@ietf.org > >>>>> Subject: [middisc] middisc specification update > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi folks, this is a reminder that there are cut-off dates > >>>> approaching > >>>>> for draft submission prior to the next IETF meeting. If I > >>>> understand > >>>>> correctly, Andrew has the pen and should be working on either a > > new > >>>> or > >>>>> updated document based on prior discussions. If it's at all > >>>> possible > >>>>> to get that in before the relevant cut-off date, that would be > > very > >>>>> encouraging. > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Wes Eddy > >>>>> MTI Systems > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> middisc mailing list > >>>>> middisc@ietf.org > >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/middisc > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> middisc mailing list > >>>> middisc@ietf.org > >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/middisc > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> middisc mailing list > >>> middisc@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/middisc