From nobody Wed Feb 1 09:13:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: payload@ietf.org Delivered-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB229129482; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 09:13:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "Mirja Kuehlewind" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.41.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148596923695.19165.12608984760618368616.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2017 09:13:56 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: payload-chairs@ietf.org, roni.even@mail01.huawei.com, draft-ietf-payload-melpe@ietf.org, payload@ietf.org Subject: [payload] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draf?= =?utf-8?q?t-ietf-payload-melpe-05=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2017 17:13:57 -0000 Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-payload-melpe-05: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-melpe/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Reference to RFC5405 should be updated to RFC8085 (draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc5405bis) - Please also add the following: OLD: "[...] applications that use RTP over UDP SHOULD implement their own congestion control above the UDP layer [RFC5405]." NEW: "[..] applications that use RTP over UDP SHOULD implement their own congestion control above the UDP layer [RFC5405] and MAY as well implement a transport circuit breaker [draft-ietf-avtcore-rtp-circuit-breakers]." From nobody Thu Feb 2 00:09:30 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: payload@ietf.org Delivered-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D8A1293E8; Thu, 2 Feb 2017 00:09:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Alexey Melnikov" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.42.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148602296892.28202.1788647047054525631.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2017 00:09:28 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: payload-chairs@ietf.org, roni.even@mail01.huawei.com, draft-ietf-payload-melpe@ietf.org, payload@ietf.org Subject: [payload] Alexey Melnikov's No Objection on draft-ietf-payload-melpe-05: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2017 08:09:29 -0000 Alexey Melnikov has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-payload-melpe-05: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-melpe/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I have a small issue, but I think it is important to address: in Section 4.1: media type parameters not specified in the MIME type registration, even though they are described later in the document. The MIME type registration will be pasted to a separate file on IANA website, so it must be self contained. From nobody Thu Feb 2 13:30:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6651294B6 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2017 13:30:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MSGID_MULTIPLE_AT=1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PjQeQCjIraif for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2017 13:30:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from cuda.olm1.com (cuda.olm1.com [72.236.255.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7FFA129581 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2017 13:30:42 -0800 (PST) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1486070069-092fd37c98028b0001-U2jSCT Received: from host105.olm1.com (host105.olm1.com [72.236.255.15]) by cuda.olm1.com with ESMTP id R5ER2Kv7Lg12POhB (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 02 Feb 2017 16:14:29 -0500 (EST) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: victor.demjanenko@vocal.com X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 72.236.255.15 Received: from ClintonLT (rrcs-72-43-202-98.nys.biz.rr.com [72.43.202.98]) by host105.olm1.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DC65EB42C9B; Thu, 2 Feb 2017 16:06:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Victor Demjanenko, Ph.D." To: "'Mirja Kuehlewind'" , "'The IESG'" References: <148596923695.19165.12608984760618368616.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <148596923695.19165.12608984760618368616.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 16:06:16 -0500 X-ASG-Orig-Subj: =?utf-8?Q?RE:_Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind's_No_Objecti?= =?utf-8?Q?on_on_draft-ietf-payload-melpe-0?= =?utf-8?Q?5:_=28with_COMMENT=29?= Message-ID: <0a8301d27d98$31d55050$957ff0f0$@demjanenko@vocal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdJ8rry/sfa7yNZcQ52fHvKQ3EUjugA6H29A Content-Language: en-us X-Barracuda-Connect: host105.olm1.com[72.236.255.15] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1486070069 X-Barracuda-Encrypted: ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 X-Barracuda-URL: https://72.236.255.32:443/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at olm1.com X-Barracuda-BRTS-Status: 1 X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.01 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.01 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=5.0 tests=BSF_SC0_MISMATCH_TO, MSGID_MULTIPLE_AT X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.3.36284 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.01 MSGID_MULTIPLE_AT Message-ID contains multiple '@' characters 0.00 BSF_SC0_MISMATCH_TO Envelope rcpt doesn't match header Archived-At: Cc: draft-ietf-payload-melpe@ietf.org, payload-chairs@ietf.org, payload@ietf.org, roni.even@mail01.huawei.com, "'Dave Satterlee \(Vocal\)'" Subject: Re: [payload] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draf?= =?utf-8?q?t-ietf-payload-melpe-05=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2017 21:30:46 -0000 Thank you for your comments. We are revising our draft as per your = suggestions. The first and second items are confirmations of the = changes. The third is a question. 1. The text has been changed to the suggestion as stated below. 2. RFC5405 has been changed to RFC8085 both in the text and in the = Normative References. 3. RFC8083 appears to be [draft-ietf-avtcore-rtp-circuit-breakers]. As = with RFC8085, it has not yet been released (but can be found by Google). = Should we use the to be release RFC8083 instead of the circuit breaker = draft? Thanks, Victor & David -----Original Message----- From: Mirja Kuehlewind [mailto:ietf@kuehlewind.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 12:14 PM To: The IESG Cc: draft-ietf-payload-melpe@ietf.org; Roni Even; = payload-chairs@ietf.org; roni.even@mail01.huawei.com; payload@ietf.org Subject: Mirja K=C3=BChlewind's No Objection on = draft-ietf-payload-melpe-05: (with COMMENT) Mirja K=C3=BChlewind has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-payload-melpe-05: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all = email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this = introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-melpe/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Reference to RFC5405 should be updated to RFC8085 (draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc5405bis) - Please also add the following: OLD: "[...] applications that use RTP over UDP SHOULD implement their own congestion control above the UDP layer [RFC5405]." NEW: "[..] applications that use RTP over UDP SHOULD implement their own congestion control above the UDP layer [RFC5405] and MAY as well implement a transport circuit = breaker=20 [draft-ietf-avtcore-rtp-circuit-breakers]." From nobody Thu Feb 2 13:50:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0671299DC for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2017 13:50:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MSGID_MULTIPLE_AT=1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YTjnZwlyyQhs for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2017 13:50:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from cuda.olm1.com (cuda.olm1.com [72.236.255.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E92812958D for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2017 13:50:47 -0800 (PST) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1486069962-092fd37c9801f20001-U2jSCT Received: from host105.olm1.com (host105.olm1.com [72.236.255.15]) by cuda.olm1.com with ESMTP id 0Q29A0CODiHa9YwQ (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 02 Feb 2017 16:12:43 -0500 (EST) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: victor.demjanenko@vocal.com X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 72.236.255.15 Received: from ClintonLT (rrcs-72-43-202-98.nys.biz.rr.com [72.43.202.98]) by host105.olm1.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E2D3FB42C6C; Thu, 2 Feb 2017 16:12:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Victor Demjanenko, Ph.D." To: "'Alexey Melnikov'" , "'The IESG'" References: <148602296892.28202.1788647047054525631.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <148602296892.28202.1788647047054525631.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 16:12:41 -0500 X-ASG-Orig-Subj: RE: [payload] Alexey Melnikov's No Objection on draft-ietf-payload-melpe-05: (with COMMENT) Message-ID: <0a8401d27d99$174d83f0$45e88bd0$@demjanenko@vocal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdJ9K7RZg4aiXPaYS0KFDuQOlbmoTgAbMBdQ Content-Language: en-us X-Barracuda-Connect: host105.olm1.com[72.236.255.15] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1486069963 X-Barracuda-Encrypted: ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 X-Barracuda-URL: https://72.236.255.32:443/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at olm1.com X-Barracuda-BRTS-Status: 1 X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.01 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.01 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=5.0 tests=MSGID_MULTIPLE_AT X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.3.36284 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.01 MSGID_MULTIPLE_AT Message-ID contains multiple '@' characters Archived-At: Cc: payload-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-payload-melpe@ietf.org, payload@ietf.org, roni.even@mail01.huawei.com, "'Dave Satterlee \(Vocal\)'" Subject: Re: [payload] Alexey Melnikov's No Objection on draft-ietf-payload-melpe-05: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2017 21:50:48 -0000 Hi Alexey, Thanks for your review and comments. Unfortunately we don't understand the suggested change. We understand that only section 4.1 will be extracted and used in another document. What we don't understand is what specifically you see as needing to be changed or modified. Could you please explain it to us non-MiME types? Below is cut and paste from our draft? Thanks, Victor & Dave --------------------------------------------- 4.1 Media Type Definition Type names: audio Subtype name: MELP, MELP2400, MELP1200, and MELP600 Required parameters: N/A Optional parameters: ptime, maxptime, bitrate Encoding considerations: This media type is framed and binary, see section 4.8 in RFC6838 [RFC6838]. Security considerations: Please see the security considerations in section 8 of RFCxxxx (this RFC). Interoperability considerations: Early implementations used MELP2400, MELP1200, and MELP600 to indicate both coder type and bit rate. These media type names should be preserved with this registration. Published specification: N/A Applications that use this media type: N/A Additional information: N/A Deprecated alias names for this type: N/A Magic number(s): N/A File extension(s): N/A Macintosh file type code(s): N/A Person & email address to contact for further information: Victor Demjanenko, Ph.D. VOCAL Technologies, Ltd. 520 Lee Entrance, Suite 202 Buffalo, NY 14228 USA Phone: +1 716 688 4675 Email: victor.demjanenko@vocal.com Intended usage: COMMON Restrictions on usage: This media type depends on RTP framing, and hence is only defined for transfer via RTP [RFC3550]. Transport within other framing protocols is not defined at this time. Author: Victor Demjanenko Change controller: IETF Payload working group delegated from the IESG. Provisional registration? (standards tree only): No -----Original Message----- From: payload [mailto:payload-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alexey Melnikov Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 3:09 AM To: The IESG Cc: payload-chairs@ietf.org; roni.even@mail01.huawei.com; draft-ietf-payload-melpe@ietf.org; payload@ietf.org Subject: [payload] Alexey Melnikov's No Objection on draft-ietf-payload-melpe-05: (with COMMENT) Alexey Melnikov has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-payload-melpe-05: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-melpe/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I have a small issue, but I think it is important to address: in Section 4.1: media type parameters not specified in the MIME type registration, even though they are described later in the document. The MIME type registration will be pasted to a separate file on IANA website, so it must be self contained. _______________________________________________ payload mailing list payload@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/payload From nobody Fri Feb 3 00:12:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D74BC129BCB for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2017 00:12:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cf4dYRlubU5C for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2017 00:12:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from kuehlewind.net (kuehlewind.net [83.169.45.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27BC4129BCA for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2017 00:12:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15773 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2017 09:06:05 +0100 Received: from p5dec295f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (HELO ?192.168.178.33?) (93.236.41.95) by kuehlewind.net with ESMTPSA (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 3 Feb 2017 09:06:05 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) From: "Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)" In-Reply-To: <0a8301d27d98$31d55050$957ff0f0$@demjanenko@vocal.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 09:06:04 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <148596923695.19165.12608984760618368616.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0a8301d27d98$31d55050$957ff0f0$@demjanenko@vocal.com> To: "Victor Demjanenko, Ph.D." X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) Archived-At: Cc: draft-ietf-payload-melpe@ietf.org, payload-chairs@ietf.org, payload@ietf.org, roni.even@mail01.huawei.com, The IESG , "Dave Satterlee \(Vocal\)" Subject: Re: [payload] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draf?= =?utf-8?q?t-ietf-payload-melpe-05=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2017 08:12:50 -0000 Hi Victor, thanks! See below. > Am 02.02.2017 um 22:06 schrieb Victor Demjanenko, Ph.D. = : >=20 > Thank you for your comments. We are revising our draft as per your = suggestions. The first and second items are confirmations of the = changes. The third is a question. >=20 > 1. The text has been changed to the suggestion as stated below. >=20 > 2. RFC5405 has been changed to RFC8085 both in the text and in the = Normative References. >=20 > 3. RFC8083 appears to be [draft-ietf-avtcore-rtp-circuit-breakers]. = As with RFC8085, it has not yet been released (but can be found by = Google). Should we use the to be release RFC8083 instead of the circuit = breaker draft? That=E2=80=99s rather a question for the RFC Editor. I know that RFC8085 = will be published very soon and most likely be fore this doc. RFC8083 = however is clustered with some other documents and I don=E2=80=99t when = they will be ready. However, if you just leave the draft name, the RFC = Editor will do the right thing and eventually replace it with the RFC = number. Mirja >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Victor & David >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Mirja Kuehlewind [mailto:ietf@kuehlewind.net]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 12:14 PM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-payload-melpe@ietf.org; Roni Even; = payload-chairs@ietf.org; roni.even@mail01.huawei.com; payload@ietf.org > Subject: Mirja K=C3=BChlewind's No Objection on = draft-ietf-payload-melpe-05: (with COMMENT) >=20 > Mirja K=C3=BChlewind has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-payload-melpe-05: No Objection >=20 > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all = email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this = introductory paragraph, however.) >=20 >=20 > Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >=20 >=20 > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-melpe/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > - Reference to RFC5405 should be updated to RFC8085 > (draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc5405bis) > - Please also add the following: > OLD: > "[...] applications that use > RTP over UDP SHOULD implement their own congestion control above the > UDP layer [RFC5405]." > NEW: > "[..] applications that use > RTP over UDP SHOULD implement their own congestion control above the > UDP layer [RFC5405] and MAY as well implement a transport circuit = breaker=20 > [draft-ietf-avtcore-rtp-circuit-breakers]." >=20 >=20 From nobody Fri Feb 3 01:05:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4599F129ACD; Fri, 3 Feb 2017 01:04:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=fastmail.fm header.b=TZtPslWB; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=ZuJOUbAk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7uO40JrQWHHC; Fri, 3 Feb 2017 01:04:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A1F41294E1; Fri, 3 Feb 2017 01:04:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8305B20A2B; Fri, 3 Feb 2017 04:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 03 Feb 2017 04:04:53 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.fm; h=cc :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=15+3v07BrHn3nVo Tu05mRF5JKJY=; b=TZtPslWBa5VWudzIFL6XkcB3uRvvwQFHvMKwjO76weK5Ygu 1pRGJupLqiDKoDcq0vJ8o19i5CEW+gLyqWaEgrJJgHz8GSim4y4J5OoWacH2Lov4 5ywKsmcGRs3+X0GHstWjJyv65KMCkeifPqpwwb5it4hY/78rciUi0kbs0PkY= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s= smtpout; bh=15+3v07BrHn3nVoTu05mRF5JKJY=; b=ZuJOUbAkldi3YnU8F+6t Nqe0yszNHe0I7ZCzvK9fzFOKAHAVp95QPK/cc1VGchL6YVCpWSFdnfjIog0sLqz1 3TjATuC3Ukic0llMY/AIZPSkEo8AHLuN0nAWl5l9XQcClEcottfItyjsjrCisEMZ ecVKdQvPqq2HyZpBOTiBR+s= X-ME-Sender: X-Sasl-enc: g8wZmwxwGoQKGeq2BYPdZdlypQNqhdmiGTjNG4hgRQ7E 1486112693 Received: from [10.8.210.156] (unknown [85.255.236.187]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 212807E06B; Fri, 3 Feb 2017 04:04:53 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Alexey Melnikov X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13G35) In-Reply-To: <0a8401d27d99$174d83f0$45e88bd0$@demjanenko@vocal.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 09:15:33 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <148602296892.28202.1788647047054525631.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0a8401d27d99$174d83f0$45e88bd0$@demjanenko@vocal.com> To: "Victor Demjanenko, Ph.D." Archived-At: Cc: payload-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-payload-melpe@ietf.org, payload@ietf.org, roni.even@mail01.huawei.com, The IESG , "Dave Satterlee \(Vocal\)" Subject: Re: [payload] Alexey Melnikov's No Objection on draft-ietf-payload-melpe-05: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2017 09:04:55 -0000 Hi Victor, > On 2 Feb 2017, at 21:12, Victor Demjanenko, Ph.D. wrote: >=20 > Optional parameters: >=20 > ptime, maxptime, bitrate You either need full definition of these optional parameters or references w= here they are defined. Best Regards, Alexey From nobody Fri Feb 3 08:18:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B93E12946F; Fri, 3 Feb 2017 08:18:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=fastmail.fm header.b=GHVXxd9j; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=GNIIOeU+ Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IA1fM_L7kF-d; Fri, 3 Feb 2017 08:18:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9A4712941C; Fri, 3 Feb 2017 08:17:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4907A207C3; Fri, 3 Feb 2017 11:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from web5 ([10.202.2.215]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 03 Feb 2017 11:17:59 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.fm; h=cc :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=THI+UBKmodYVFxEcT0FZ/iV7vJ 0=; b=GHVXxd9jnzzcotW2muWGuamdpHy4EW431g1MWjSSW9z4+4/Y+C1flH3mjt ikN6DuYJ9MlBPuoKXH3AzdqRpPwtzKSMCHaTpCdD13YbkaKtSlrRSJhVR8rnREqw fL/nS6C3DIn+HqRTgu80Ip0Mlm2kHpMyzR1lhMPLHdk/msUEI= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=TH I+UBKmodYVFxEcT0FZ/iV7vJ0=; b=GNIIOeU+SpZa3lGAEUidYz3WOMmGCFSm2z 1k3J+B9frRKru3w4tkzBGPq/Coxnyek6CYeaaz/9IPqrvmmuIjlbmKs6/aGGcv8O fDzTxQuebWIb4Gu/nz+Puclj5G2GV5E0/YKfs8J+xvqUvPHMnzni6hXT0dxwfl+X 2N/BgwNyY= X-ME-Sender: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id 1E4D46ABF9; Fri, 3 Feb 2017 11:17:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1486138679.642787.869386880.20380CD0@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Alexey Melnikov To: "Victor Demjanenko, Ph.D." , roni.even@mail01.huawei.com, Ben Campbell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-e9b51b02 References: <148602296892.28202.1788647047054525631.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0a8401d27d99$174d83f0$45e88bd0$@demjanenko@vocal.com> <0aac01d27e38$7a2acf60$6e806e20$@demjanenko@vocal.com> Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2017 16:17:59 +0000 In-Reply-To: <0aac01d27e38$7a2acf60$6e806e20$@demjanenko@vocal.com> Archived-At: Cc: draft-ietf-payload-melpe@ietf.org, payload-chairs@ietf.org, The IESG , payload@ietf.org, "Dave Satterlee \(Vocal\)" Subject: Re: [payload] Alexey Melnikov's No Objection on draft-ietf-payload-melpe-05: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2017 16:18:01 -0000 Hi Victor, On Fri, Feb 3, 2017, at 04:13 PM, Victor Demjanenko, Ph.D. wrote: > Hi Alexey, > > Thanks, with your clue, I followed an example in RFC 5391 and added the > following: Your changes look good to me. I am not sure about the two remaining paragraphs. They can stay as long as they are consistent (or the same) as text in other sections. > " Optional parameters: > > ptime: the recommended length of time (in milliseconds) > represented by the media in a packet. It SHALL use the nearest > rounded-up ms integer packet duration. For MELPe, this > corresponds to the values: 23, 45, 68, 90, 112, 135, 156, and > 180. Larger values can be used as long as they are properly > rounded. See Section 6 of RFC 4566 [RFC4566]. > > maxptime: the maximum length of time (in milliseconds) that can > be encapsulated in a packet. It SHALL use the nearest rounded- > up ms integer packet duration. For MELPe, this corresponds to > the values: 23, 45, 68, 90, 112, 135, 156, and 180. Larger > values can be used as long as they are properly rounded. See > Section 6 of RFC 4566 [RFC4566]. > > bitrate: specifies the MELPe coder bit rates supported. > Possible values are a comma-separated list of rates from the > set: 2400, 1200, 600. The modes are listed in order of > preference; first is preferred. If "bitrate" is not present, > the fixed coder bit rate of 2400 MUST be used. The alternate > encoding names, "MELP2400", "MELP1200", and "MELP600" directly > specify the MELPe coder bit rate of 2400, 1200, and 600 > respectively and MUST NOT specify a "bitrate" parameter. " > > Then in section 4.2, the bulleted list is now (adding ptime and maxptime > as > well as simplifying bitrate): > > " o The media type ("audio") goes in SDP "m=" as the media name. > o The media subtype (payload format name) goes in SDP "a=rtpmap" > as the encoding name. > o The parameter "bitrate" goes in the SDP "a=fmtp" attribute by > copying it as a "bitrate=" string. > o The parameters "ptime" and "maxptime" go in the SDP "a=ptime" > and "a=maxptime" attributes, respectively." > > And the last paragraph in section 4.2 describing ptime and maxptime was > deleted as its contents was fully conveyed in section 4.1. > > Now there are two other paragraphs related to bitrate in section 4.2 that > have I not changed. It's possible that these can be eliminated and/or > reduced. Perhaps I delete all but the last sentence of the second > paragraph? Any opinions? > > " If the encoding name "MELP" is received without a "bitrate" > parameter, the fixed coder bit rate of 2400 MUST be used. The > alternate encoding names, "MELP2400", "MELP1200", and "MELP600" > directly specify the MELPe coder bit rate of 2400, 1200, and 600 > respectively and MUST NOT specify a "bitrate" parameter. > > The optional media type parameter, "bitrate", when present, MUST be > included in the "a=fmtp" attribute in the SDP, expressed as a media > type string in the form of a semicolon-separated list of > parameter=value pairs. The string, "value", can be one or more of > 2400, 1200, and 600 separated by commas (where each bit-rate value > indicates the corresponding MELPe coder). An example of the media > representation in SDP for describing MELPe when all three coder bit > rates are supported might be:" > > If the above is considered acceptable as is, I can post a new draft upon > request. Please let me know what and when to do this. (Roni, Ben, > thanks > for your help with this as well.) > > Thanks, > > Victor > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alexey Melnikov [mailto:aamelnikov@fastmail.fm] > Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 4:16 AM > To: Victor Demjanenko, Ph.D. > Cc: The IESG; payload-chairs@ietf.org; roni.even@mail01.huawei.com; > draft-ietf-payload-melpe@ietf.org; payload@ietf.org; Dave Satterlee > (Vocal) > Subject: Re: [payload] Alexey Melnikov's No Objection on > draft-ietf-payload-melpe-05: (with COMMENT) > > Hi Victor, > > > On 2 Feb 2017, at 21:12, Victor Demjanenko, Ph.D. > wrote: > > > > Optional parameters: > > > > ptime, maxptime, bitrate > > You either need full definition of these optional parameters or > references > where they are defined. > > Best Regards, > Alexey > > > From nobody Sun Feb 5 10:08:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9905D12966C for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2017 08:28:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MSGID_MULTIPLE_AT=1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2Fu0DXv5bNyH for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2017 08:28:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from cuda.olm1.com (cuda.olm1.com [72.236.255.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88D7F129673 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2017 08:28:11 -0800 (PST) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1486138420-092fd37c9859950001-U2jSCT Received: from host105.olm1.com (host105.olm1.com [72.236.255.15]) by cuda.olm1.com with ESMTP id nffumXi1FAaYugsO (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 03 Feb 2017 11:13:40 -0500 (EST) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: victor.demjanenko@vocal.com X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 72.236.255.15 Received: from ClintonLT (rrcs-72-43-202-98.nys.biz.rr.com [72.43.202.98]) by host105.olm1.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 88E0BB45216; Fri, 3 Feb 2017 11:13:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Victor Demjanenko, Ph.D." To: "'Alexey Melnikov'" , , "'Ben Campbell'" References: <148602296892.28202.1788647047054525631.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0a8401d27d99$174d83f0$45e88bd0$@demjanenko@vocal.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 11:13:36 -0500 X-ASG-Orig-Subj: RE: [payload] Alexey Melnikov's No Objection on draft-ietf-payload-melpe-05: (with COMMENT) Message-ID: <0aac01d27e38$7a2acf60$6e806e20$@demjanenko@vocal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdJ9/JfZ9YOSBot9RZOngJ/gtao7/AAOhmmQ Content-Language: en-us X-Barracuda-Connect: host105.olm1.com[72.236.255.15] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1486138420 X-Barracuda-Encrypted: ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 X-Barracuda-URL: https://72.236.255.32:443/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at olm1.com X-Barracuda-BRTS-Status: 1 X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.01 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.01 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=5.0 tests=MSGID_MULTIPLE_AT X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.3.36297 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.01 MSGID_MULTIPLE_AT Message-ID contains multiple '@' characters Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 05 Feb 2017 10:08:25 -0800 Cc: payload-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-payload-melpe@ietf.org, payload@ietf.org, roni.even@mail01.huawei.com, 'The IESG' , "'Dave Satterlee \(Vocal\)'" Subject: Re: [payload] Alexey Melnikov's No Objection on draft-ietf-payload-melpe-05: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2017 16:28:12 -0000 Hi Alexey, Thanks, with your clue, I followed an example in RFC 5391 and added the following: " Optional parameters: ptime: the recommended length of time (in milliseconds) represented by the media in a packet. It SHALL use the nearest rounded-up ms integer packet duration. For MELPe, this corresponds to the values: 23, 45, 68, 90, 112, 135, 156, and 180. Larger values can be used as long as they are properly rounded. See Section 6 of RFC 4566 [RFC4566]. maxptime: the maximum length of time (in milliseconds) that can be encapsulated in a packet. It SHALL use the nearest rounded- up ms integer packet duration. For MELPe, this corresponds to the values: 23, 45, 68, 90, 112, 135, 156, and 180. Larger values can be used as long as they are properly rounded. See Section 6 of RFC 4566 [RFC4566]. bitrate: specifies the MELPe coder bit rates supported. Possible values are a comma-separated list of rates from the set: 2400, 1200, 600. The modes are listed in order of preference; first is preferred. If "bitrate" is not present, the fixed coder bit rate of 2400 MUST be used. The alternate encoding names, "MELP2400", "MELP1200", and "MELP600" directly specify the MELPe coder bit rate of 2400, 1200, and 600 respectively and MUST NOT specify a "bitrate" parameter. " Then in section 4.2, the bulleted list is now (adding ptime and maxptime as well as simplifying bitrate): " o The media type ("audio") goes in SDP "m=" as the media name. o The media subtype (payload format name) goes in SDP "a=rtpmap" as the encoding name. o The parameter "bitrate" goes in the SDP "a=fmtp" attribute by copying it as a "bitrate=" string. o The parameters "ptime" and "maxptime" go in the SDP "a=ptime" and "a=maxptime" attributes, respectively." And the last paragraph in section 4.2 describing ptime and maxptime was deleted as its contents was fully conveyed in section 4.1. Now there are two other paragraphs related to bitrate in section 4.2 that have I not changed. It's possible that these can be eliminated and/or reduced. Perhaps I delete all but the last sentence of the second paragraph? Any opinions? " If the encoding name "MELP" is received without a "bitrate" parameter, the fixed coder bit rate of 2400 MUST be used. The alternate encoding names, "MELP2400", "MELP1200", and "MELP600" directly specify the MELPe coder bit rate of 2400, 1200, and 600 respectively and MUST NOT specify a "bitrate" parameter. The optional media type parameter, "bitrate", when present, MUST be included in the "a=fmtp" attribute in the SDP, expressed as a media type string in the form of a semicolon-separated list of parameter=value pairs. The string, "value", can be one or more of 2400, 1200, and 600 separated by commas (where each bit-rate value indicates the corresponding MELPe coder). An example of the media representation in SDP for describing MELPe when all three coder bit rates are supported might be:" If the above is considered acceptable as is, I can post a new draft upon request. Please let me know what and when to do this. (Roni, Ben, thanks for your help with this as well.) Thanks, Victor -----Original Message----- From: Alexey Melnikov [mailto:aamelnikov@fastmail.fm] Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 4:16 AM To: Victor Demjanenko, Ph.D. Cc: The IESG; payload-chairs@ietf.org; roni.even@mail01.huawei.com; draft-ietf-payload-melpe@ietf.org; payload@ietf.org; Dave Satterlee (Vocal) Subject: Re: [payload] Alexey Melnikov's No Objection on draft-ietf-payload-melpe-05: (with COMMENT) Hi Victor, > On 2 Feb 2017, at 21:12, Victor Demjanenko, Ph.D. wrote: > > Optional parameters: > > ptime, maxptime, bitrate You either need full definition of these optional parameters or references where they are defined. Best Regards, Alexey From nobody Tue Feb 7 05:57:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: payload@ietf.org Delivered-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48278129C33; Tue, 7 Feb 2017 05:57:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.42.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148647585226.16268.12590450734501961892.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2017 05:57:32 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: payload@ietf.org Subject: [payload] I-D Action: draft-ietf-payload-melpe-06.txt X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2017 13:57:32 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Payloads of the IETF. Title : RTP Payload Format for MELPe Codec Authors : Victor Demjanenko David Satterlee Filename : draft-ietf-payload-melpe-06.txt Pages : 29 Date : 2017-02-07 Abstract: This document describes the RTP payload format for the Mixed Excitation Linear Prediction Enhanced (MELPe) speech coder. MELPe's three different speech encoding rates and sample frames sizes are supported. Comfort noise procedures and packet loss concealment are detailed. INTERNET DRAFT RTP Payload Format for the MELPe Codec February 7, 2017 The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-melpe/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-payload-melpe-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-payload-melpe-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Feb 8 07:14:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: payload@ietf.org Delivered-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444E7129BD5; Wed, 8 Feb 2017 07:14:49 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.42.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148656688927.3868.7312951126520961928.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2017 07:14:49 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: draft-ietf-payload-melpe@ietf.org, payload-chairs@ietf.org, payload@ietf.org, roni.even@mail01.huawei.com, The IESG , rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [payload] Protocol Action: 'RTP Payload Format for MELPe Codec' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-payload-melpe-06.txt) X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2017 15:14:49 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'RTP Payload Format for MELPe Codec' (draft-ietf-payload-melpe-06.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Audio/Video Transport Payloads Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alexey Melnikov, Ben Campbell and Alissa Cooper. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-melpe/ Technical Summary This document describes the RTP payload format for the Mixed Excitation Linear Prediction Enhanced (MELPe) speech coder. MELPe's three different speech encoding rates and sample frames sizes are supported. Comfort noise procedures and packet loss concealment are detailed. Working Group Summary The document was discussed in the meetings, and on the mailing list. The open issues were addressed and there are no open issues, there was consensus on the content of the document. Document Quality There are existing implementations and the authors came to the IETF to register the payload subtype name being already used. The request for a media type review was posted on September 8th, 2016. Personnel Roni Even is the Document Shepherd. The responsible AD is Ben Campbell. 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Begen" Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2017 01:02:45 +0300 Message-ID: To: payload@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c1b54f2e2cbac054939c507 Archived-At: Subject: [payload] WGLC for draft-ietf-payload-rtp-vc2hq-01 X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 22:02:50 -0000 --94eb2c1b54f2e2cbac054939c507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 WG, We are starting WGLC for the following draft. Please review the draft and send your comments to the list by March 13th. If you read the draft but you have no comments, say so as well. It is a short document, so should be a quick review. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-rtp-vc2hq/ -acbegen --94eb2c1b54f2e2cbac054939c507 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
WG,

We are starting WGLC for the follow= ing draft. Please review the draft and send your comments to the list by Ma= rch 13th. If you read the draft but you have no comments, say so as well.

It is a short document, so should be a quick review= .

--94eb2c1b54f2e2cbac054939c507-- From nobody Sun Feb 26 22:27:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3ACD1296C3; Sun, 26 Feb 2017 22:27:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.22 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TP2qMHHN6u6G; Sun, 26 Feb 2017 22:27:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56202129665; Sun, 26 Feb 2017 22:27:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DHU98020; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 06:27:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DGGEMM402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.20.210) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.45) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 06:27:09 +0000 Received: from DGGEMM506-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.117]) by DGGEMM402-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.3.20.210]) with mapi id 14.03.0301.000; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:27:07 +0800 From: Roni Even To: "payload@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: request for presentation time - IETF98 Thread-Index: AdKQwn6tH0j3kkinRFeNt8irT8OQzA== Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 06:26:58 +0000 Message-ID: <6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD776B84@DGGEMM506-MBX.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.200.201.150] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD776B84DGGEMM506MBXchina_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A090201.58B3C6BE.00A9, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.3.117, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 2fe933501c7ab6811175a6c89f42bf6a Archived-At: Cc: "payload-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: [payload] request for presentation time - IETF98 X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 06:27:14 -0000 --_000_6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD776B84DGGEMM506MBXchina_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, The Payload WG is scheduled to meet on Thursday March 30th 2017 from 17:40= in Zurich D If you want to present in this time slot please send us an email Note: this is still the preliminary agenda see https://datatracker.ietf.org= /meeting/agenda/ Roni Even Payload co-chair --_000_6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD776B84DGGEMM506MBXchina_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

The Payload WG is scheduled to meet on Thursday Marc= h 30th  2017 from 17:40 in Zurich D

If you want to present in this time slot please send= us an email

 

Note: this is still the preliminary agenda see https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda/

 

Roni Even

Payload co-chair

 

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-------------------------------------------------- 0.01 MSGID_MULTIPLE_AT Message-ID contains multiple '@' characters 0.00 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message Archived-At: Subject: Re: [payload] WGLC for draft-ietf-payload-rtp-vc2hq-01 X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 13:38:21 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_06DD_01D290D4.D307DCA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The draft looks good and I have no additional comments. =20 Victor =20 From: payload [mailto:payload-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ali C. = Begen Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 5:03 PM To: payload@ietf.org Subject: [payload] WGLC for draft-ietf-payload-rtp-vc2hq-01 =20 WG, =20 We are starting WGLC for the following draft. Please review the draft = and send your comments to the list by March 13th. If you read the draft = but you have no comments, say so as well. =20 It is a short document, so should be a quick review. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-rtp-vc2hq/ =20 -acbegen ------=_NextPart_000_06DD_01D290D4.D307DCA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The draft looks good and I have no additional = comments.

 

Victor

 

From:= = payload [mailto:payload-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ali C. = Begen
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 5:03 PM
To: = payload@ietf.org
Subject: [payload] WGLC for = draft-ietf-payload-rtp-vc2hq-01

 

WG,

 

We are starting WGLC for the following draft. Please = review the draft and send your comments to the list by March 13th. If = you read the draft but you have no comments, say so as = well.

 

It is a short document, so should be a quick = review.

 

-acbegen

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