From nobody Tue Oct 3 10:46:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: webpush@ietf.org Delivered-To: webpush@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115C9134FB0; Tue, 3 Oct 2017 10:46:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: adam@nostrum.com, webpush-chairs@ietf.org, smccammon@amsl.com, webpush@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150705280402.30657.15471858320081450514.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:46:44 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Webpush] webpush - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 100 X-BeenThere: webpush@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussion of potential IETF work on a web push protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 17:46:44 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Stephanie McCammon, on behalf of the webpush working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Web-Based Push Notifications Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area Session Requester: Stephanie McCammon Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 30 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: dispatch httpbis mmusic tram rtcweb modern core quic doh Second Priority: netvc perc sipcore Third Priority: clue People who must be present: Eric Rescorla Adam Roach Martin Thomson Joe Hildebrand Phil Sorber Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Thu Oct 5 14:27:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: webpush@ietf.org Delivered-To: webpush@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5259F1331E7; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 14:27:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: adam@nostrum.com, webpush-chairs@ietf.org, smccammon@amsl.com, webpush@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150723885633.6006.1059710724683190689.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 14:27:36 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Webpush] webpush - Update to a Meeting Session Request for IETF 100 X-BeenThere: webpush@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussion of potential IETF work on a web push protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 21:27:36 -0000 An update to a meeting session request has just been submitted by Stephanie McCammon, on behalf of the webpush working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Web-Based Push Notifications Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area Session Requester: Stephanie McCammon Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 30 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: dispatch httpbis mmusic tram rtcweb modern core quic doh cdni Second Priority: netvc perc sipcore Third Priority: clue People who must be present: Eric Rescorla Adam Roach Martin Thomson Joe Hildebrand Phil Sorber Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Thu Oct 5 14:56:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: webpush@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: webpush@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4FD7126B7E; 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Thu, 05 Oct 2017 14:56:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.72.178 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 14:56:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <150723885633.6006.1059710724683190689.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <150723885633.6006.1059710724683190689.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Martin Thomson Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 14:56:52 -0700 Message-ID: To: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool Cc: webpush-chairs@ietf.org, Adam Roach , "webpush@ietf.org" , Stephanie McCammon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Webpush] webpush - Update to a Meeting Session Request for IETF 100 X-BeenThere: webpush@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of potential IETF work on a web push protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 21:56:56 -0000 I am assuming that this request was made in error, and the "Not having a session" registered by Phil is what is correct. On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 2:27 PM, IETF Meeting Session Request Tool wrote: > > > An update to a meeting session request has just been submitted by Stephanie McCammon, on behalf of the webpush working group. > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Working Group Name: Web-Based Push Notifications > Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area > Session Requester: Stephanie McCammon > > Number of Sessions: 1 > Length of Session(s): 1 Hour > Number of Attendees: 30 > Conflicts to Avoid: > First Priority: dispatch httpbis mmusic tram rtcweb modern core quic doh cdni > Second Priority: netvc perc sipcore > Third Priority: clue > > > People who must be present: > Eric Rescorla > Adam Roach > Martin Thomson > Joe Hildebrand > Phil Sorber > > Resources Requested: > > Special Requests: > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Webpush mailing list > Webpush@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/webpush From nobody Thu Oct 5 20:12:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: webpush@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: webpush@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467811341F8 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 20:12:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.42 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.42 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MlygwfsKdbPV for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 20:12:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B98213432B for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 20:12:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 34647 invoked by uid 99); 6 Oct 2017 03:12:14 -0000 Received: from mail-relay.apache.org (HELO mail-relay.apache.org) (140.211.11.15) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 06 Oct 2017 03:12:14 +0000 Received: from mail-qt0-f169.google.com (mail-qt0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by mail-relay.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mail-relay.apache.org) with ESMTPSA id 93DAD1A0117; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 03:12:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt0-f169.google.com with SMTP id d13so28461026qta.5; Thu, 05 Oct 2017 20:12:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaU4GuZl0T+niJmLqJOBnRVJA7gM0l3r97fkpo035IBpGlhsWIQn 8i345njUJNyjutwuI9w7WN8ClDoNQHza93YdzzU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QApO5pTjExRAs8x0o8LN/ZNgo+C578orTdtJsI9hYvxeVgAPLA9VqyFiVumGuccKlKBhu9lK0A5OUq+XdlaNMI= X-Received: by 10.200.44.81 with SMTP id e17mr1062455qta.332.1507259533459; Thu, 05 Oct 2017 20:12:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <150723885633.6006.1059710724683190689.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: From: Phil Sorber Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 03:12:02 +0000 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Martin Thomson , IETF Meeting Session Request Tool Cc: webpush-chairs@ietf.org, Adam Roach , "webpush@ietf.org" , Stephanie McCammon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114047961388c8055ad83551" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Webpush] webpush - Update to a Meeting Session Request for IETF 100 X-BeenThere: webpush@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of potential IETF work on a web push protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 03:12:18 -0000 --001a114047961388c8055ad83551 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" We decided to have a spot on the schedule after all to see if EKR can come and discuss his DISCUSS further. He still has some concerns and I think an in person might be the best way to at least come to a concrete plan if not a solution. If we can get it resolved before the meeting then we can give the slot back. Thanks. On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 3:57 PM Martin Thomson wrote: > I am assuming that this request was made in error, and the "Not having > a session" registered by Phil is what is correct. > > On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 2:27 PM, IETF Meeting Session Request Tool > wrote: > > > > > > An update to a meeting session request has just been submitted by > Stephanie McCammon, on behalf of the webpush working group. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Working Group Name: Web-Based Push Notifications > > Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area > > Session Requester: Stephanie McCammon > > > > Number of Sessions: 1 > > Length of Session(s): 1 Hour > > Number of Attendees: 30 > > Conflicts to Avoid: > > First Priority: dispatch httpbis mmusic tram rtcweb modern core quic > doh cdni > > Second Priority: netvc perc sipcore > > Third Priority: clue > > > > > > People who must be present: > > Eric Rescorla > > Adam Roach > > Martin Thomson > > Joe Hildebrand > > Phil Sorber > > > > Resources Requested: > > > > Special Requests: > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Webpush mailing list > > Webpush@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/webpush > --001a114047961388c8055ad83551 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We decided to have a spot on the schedule after all t= o see if EKR can come and discuss his DISCUSS further. He still has some co= ncerns and I think an in person might be the best way to at least come to a= concrete plan if not a solution. If we can get it resolved before the meet= ing then we can give the slot back.

Thanks.

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 3= :57 PM Martin Thomson <marti= n.thomson@gmail.com> wrote:
= I am assuming that this request was made in error, and the "Not having=
a session" registered by Phil is what is correct.

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 2:27 PM, IETF Meeting Session Request Tool
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> Webpush@ietf.org=
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--001a114047961388c8055ad83551-- From nobody Wed Oct 11 09:51:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: webpush@ietf.org Delivered-To: webpush@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D691213202D; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:51:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Eric Rescorla To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-webpush-vapid@ietf.org, Phil Sorber , webpush-chairs@ietf.org, sorber@apache.org, webpush@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150774068985.24840.6925880744686098654.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:51:29 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Webpush] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-webpush-vapid-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: webpush@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussion of potential IETF work on a web push protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 16:51:30 -0000 Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-webpush-vapid-04: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-webpush-vapid/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- UPDATED: I still think this is the wrong design but I'm persuaded that it's not worth sending it back to the WG. Abstract This identification information can be used to restrict the use of a push subscription a single application server. to a single S 1. Additionally, this design also relies on endpoint secrecy as any application server in possession of the endpoint is able to send messages, albeit without payloads. In situations where usage of a subscription can be limited to a single application server, the ability to associate a subscription with the application server could reduce the impact of a data leak. I don't understand this text. S 1.2 The words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "SHOULD", and "MAY" are used in this document. It’s not shouting, when they are capitalized, they have the special meaning described in [RFC2119]. This seems over-cute. We now have a document that describes this convention. S 2. This JWT is included in an Authorization header field, using an auth- scheme of "vapid". A push service MAY reject a request with a 403 (Forbidden) status code [RFC7235] if the JWT signature or its claims are invalid. Given that "vapid" is tied to "P-256" it seems like it would be better to rename this "vapid-p256" S 4.2. When a push subscription has been associated with an application server, the request for push message delivery MUST include proof of possession for the associated private key that was used when creating the push subscription. This really isn't a proof of possession, as the Security Considerations makes clear. S 5. You should call out that the email address is just a bare assertion. From nobody Thu Oct 12 14:02:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: webpush@ietf.org Delivered-To: webpush@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8D1134578; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 14:01:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: adam@nostrum.com, webpush-chairs@ietf.org, smccammon@amsl.com, webpush@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150784211878.16820.4558442999467531106.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 14:01:58 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Webpush] webpush - Cancelling a meeting request for IETF 100 X-BeenThere: webpush@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussion of potential IETF work on a web push protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 21:01:59 -0000 A request to cancel a meeting session has just been submitted by Stephanie McCammon, on behalf of the webpush working group. From nobody Thu Oct 19 15:23:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: webpush@ietf.org Delivered-To: webpush@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59630134329; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 15:22:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: The IESG , adam@nostrum.com, Phil Sorber , sorber@apache.org, draft-ietf-webpush-encryption@ietf.org, webpush-chairs@ietf.org, webpush@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <150845177532.26874.1722954323838354867.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 15:22:55 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Webpush] Protocol Action: 'Message Encryption for Web Push' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-webpush-encryption-09.txt) X-BeenThere: webpush@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussion of potential IETF work on a web push protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 22:22:55 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Message Encryption for Web Push' (draft-ietf-webpush-encryption-09.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Web-Based Push Notifications Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Adam Roach, Alexey Melnikov and Ben Campbell. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-webpush-encryption/ Technical Summary A message encryption scheme is described for the Web Push protocol. This scheme provides confidentiality and integrity for messages sent from an Application Server to a User Agent. Working Group Summary The document had consensus in the working group, but there was not a lot of activity. Based on mailing list discussions, there did appear to be thoughtful discussion on it. Document Quality Matt Miller was asked to perform an in-depth review with regard to the cryptographic content of the draft, and he only had editorial comments. The mechanism has been supported in Chrome since version 50, and in Firefox since version 44. Personnel The document shepherd is Phil Sorber. The responsible Area Director is Adam Roach. From nobody Thu Oct 19 15:25:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: webpush@ietf.org Delivered-To: webpush@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77D713420D; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 15:24:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: The IESG , adam@nostrum.com, draft-ietf-webpush-vapid@ietf.org, Phil Sorber , sorber@apache.org, webpush-chairs@ietf.org, webpush@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <150845189191.26785.12492047279550602076.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 15:24:51 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Webpush] Protocol Action: 'Voluntary Application Server Identification (VAPID) for Web Push' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-webpush-vapid-04.txt) X-BeenThere: webpush@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussion of potential IETF work on a web push protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 22:24:52 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Voluntary Application Server Identification (VAPID) for Web Push' (draft-ietf-webpush-vapid-04.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Web-Based Push Notifications Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Adam Roach, Alexey Melnikov and Ben Campbell. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-webpush-vapid/ Technical Summary An application server can use the method described to voluntarily identify itself to a push service. This identification information can be used by the push service to attribute requests that are made by the same application server to a single entity. An application server can include additional information that the operator of a push service can use to contact the operator of the application server. This identification information can be used to restrict the use of a push subscription a single application server. Working Group Summary There is nothing notable about this document's progress through the working group. Document Quality Both Google and Mozilla have deployed VAPID as part of their webpush solutions. Personnel Phil Sorber is the document shepherd. Adam Roach is the responsible AD.